Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-30-05 WT Study (Walk/Jesus)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-30-05 WT Study (September 15, 2005 issue) Review comments will be in redWT material from today's WT will be in black
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    GO ON WALKING AS JESUS CHRIST WALKED

    "He that says he remains in union with [God] is under obligation himself also to
    go on walking just as that one [Jesus] walked. "-1 JOHN 2:6.


    Opening Comments

    If you walked as Christ walked, would you be following behind a JW?

    Would you be doing door to door work?
    Would you be refraining from pointing out the errors of the appointed religious men?
    Would you be judging fellow believers as unworthy?
    Would you be disfellowshipping them for a year before allowing them back into the congregation and waiting 10 years before giving them serious responsibilities (Peter)?
    Would you be requiring that everyone stay single? Or that pioneers are closer to God?

    (add your own)

    START OF ARTICLE

    "LET us run with endurance the race that is set before us," wrote the apostle
    Paul, "as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith,
    Jesus." (Hebrews 12: 1, 2) Following the course of faithfulness requires that we
    look intently at Jesus Christ.

    Look intently at Jesus Christ

    Don't be fooled by the title or the scripture. The members of the WTS are still called JEHOVAH'S Witnesses, not Christians. And although one of the WT corporations is called the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, there are at least 10 more WT corporations without a hint of the word "Christian" to be found.

    from 1950 to 2003
    Jehovah God: 313,406 times
    Jesus Christ: 117,953 times

    2 The original-language word for "look intently," as used in the Christian Greek
    Scriptures, means "to direct one's attention without distraction," "to look ,
    away from one thing so as, to see another," "to concentrate the gaze upon." One
    reference work observes: "The minute the Greek runner in the stadium takes his
    attention away from the race course and the goal to which he is speeding, and
    turns it upon the onlooking crowds, his speed is slackened. It is so with the
    Christian." Distractions can hinder our spiritual progress. We must look
    intently at Jesus Christ. And what are we looking for in the Chief Agent? The
    Greek term rendered "chief agent" means "chief leader, one that takes the lead
    in anything and thus furnishes the example." Looking intently at Jesus calls for
    following his example.

    Original-language word--why not say Greek

    One reference work--which one?

    Kenneth Wuest writes that archegos...
    "...means “to turn one’s mind to a certain thing.” Both meanings are applicable here, the spiritual vision turned away from all else and together with the mind, concentrated on Jesus. What a lesson in Christian running technique we have in that little preposition “off, away from,” which is prefixed to this verb. The minute the Greek runner in the stadium takes his attention away from the race course and the goal to which he is speeding, and turns it upon the onlooking crowds, his speed is slackened. It is so with the Christian. The minute he takes his eyes off of the Lord Jesus, and turns them upon others, his pace in the Christian life is slackened, and his onward progress in grace hindered. Messiah is called the author of our faith." (Wuest, K. S. Wuest's Word Studies from the Greek New Testament: Grand Rapids: Eerdmans)

    http://www.preceptaustin.org/hebrews_122.htm

    Kenneth Wuest, Hebrews in the Greek New Testament (Grand Rapids, Michigan, W. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1947), p. 215

    http://www.sermonseeds.org//Hebrews%20-%20Revelation/Hebrews/Hebrews%20Study/25%20-%20RUNNING%20TO%20WIN%20-%2012,1-3.htm

    Distractions can hinder our spiritual progress

    *** w03 1/1 p. 18 "Keep on the Watch"! ***

    material goals, distractions

    *** w01 4/15 p. 23 How to Cope With Negative Feelings ***

    Baruch could not find joy in his God-given assignment while at the same time seeking great things for himself. You too may find that a really positive step toward overcoming discouragement is to avoid distractions
    Baruch responded to counsel and avoided materialistic distractions.

    *** w98 5/15 p. 19 The Quality of Your Faith-Tested Now ***

    Worldly distractions have absorbed their interest and time, thus impeding their progress. Instead of keeping their minds and hearts fixed firmly on God's Kingdom and his righteousness, putting such first in life, they have turned aside to pursue materialistic goals.

    *** w98 5/1 p. 21 Judgment Executed in the Low Plain of Decision ***

    Strong faith will stifle the temptation to become distracted by the degraded entertainment, materialism, and apathy that characterize the dying world around us.

    *** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***

    They may be distracted and may even drift away because of pursuing goals associated with materialism, recreation, or entertainment.

    Following his example--what he DID not just what he said.

    3 "He that says he remains in union with [God] is under obligation himself also
    to go on walking just as that one [Jesus] walked," states the Bible. (1 John
    2:6) We must remain in union with God by observing Jesus' commandments as he
    observed those of his Father. -John 15:10.

    Observing Jesus' commandments

    What did Jesus command?

    (John 13:34-35) 34 I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. 35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves."

    And are JWs the only ones who show Christian love? How does the WTS downgrade the efforts by non-JWs.

    *** w61 7/1 p. 387 Neighbor Love No Substitute for Love of God ***

    Thus it is a common failing in Christendom to be concerned only about showing neighbor love, letting the more important commandment, to love God with one's whole heart, mind, soul and strength, be entirely lost sight of. So we find many well-meaning professed Christians busying themselves with the "social gospel," with humanitarian projects, such as fighting diseases, political corruption, economic and social evils, but they give little if any thought to the first and greater commandment, to whether this truly is God's will for them or not.
    (John 15:12-14) 12 This is my commandment, that YOU love one another just as I have loved YOU. 13 No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends. 14 YOU are my friends if YOU do what I am commanding YOU.

    JWs will say they will die for a fellow JW but will not LIVE for a fellow JW.

    (Luke 22:19) 19 Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: "This means my body which is to be given in YOUR behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me."

    Over 6 million JWs are not doing this in remembrance of Christ.

    4 Hence, walking as Jesus walked requires that we closely observe him as the
    Chief Leader and that we follow his steps closely. The important questions to
    consider in this regard are: How does Christ lead today? How should imitating
    his manner of walking affect us? What are the benefits of adhering to the
    pattern set by Jesus Christ?

    Requires...follow his steps closely

    And how will you know what those steps are?

    *** w90 10/1 p. 30 Do You Follow Instructions? ***

    We should follow the instructions that the Head of the Christian congregation, Jesus Christ, gives through "the faithful and discreet slave," the appointed channel of God's organization here on earth.

    How Christ Leads His Followers

    5 Before ascending to heaven, the resurrected Jesus Christ appeared to his
    disciples and assigned them an important work. He said: "Go therefore and make
    disciples of people of all the nations." On that occasion the Chief Leader also
    promised to be with them as they fulfill this assignment, saying: "Look! I am
    with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." (Matthew
    28:19, 20) How is Jesus Christ with his followers in this time of the conclusion
    of the system of things?

    How is Jesus Christ with his followers in this time...?

    Actually a better questions is how Jesus was with his followers between 100 CE and 1879 CE when Charles Taze Russell appeared on the scene?

    The "Slave" is over 1800 years old!
    The WTS also teaches, without any support, that the "Slave" represents the Christian congregation from its beginning in A.D. 33 up to now:
    Jehovah's Witnesses believe that this parable pertains to the one true congregation of Jesus Christ's anointed followers. Beginning with Pentecost, 33 C.E., and continuing through the 19 centuries since then, this slavelike congregation has been feeding its members spiritually, doing so faithfully and discreetly. (WT 1981 March 1, p. 24)

    And further:

    From Pentecost, A.D. 33, up to this very present hour this ("feeding") has been lovingly and carefully performed. Yes, and these "domestics" have been fed on progressive spiritual food that keeps them abreast of the "bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established." WT 1960 July 15 p. 435.
    So the well-nourished Christian congregation (Slave) as WTS claims was more than 1800 years old by the time Russell appeared on the scene in mid 1870s. This claim is downright nonsense without any proof or justification. Because, if it was the case that there was a Slave operating for over 1800 years, there was no need for Russell to have "revived the great truths taught by Jesus and the Apostles" (Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose 1959 p. 17). WTS cannot answer where this 1800-year-old congregation was located! Russell certainly did not seek out this non-existent congregation and neither did this mythical congregation seek Russell out! In fact Russell never turned to any earthly organization. He acted independently on his own. Russell and his associates were actually anti-earthly organization. Russell affirmed that:
    We belong to NO earthly organization…All the saints now living, or that have lived during this age, belonged to OUR CHURCH ORGANIZATION: such are all ONE Church, and there is NO OTHER recognized by the Lord. Hence any earthly organization which in the least interferes with this union of saints is contrary to the teachings of Scripture and opposed to the Lord's will. (WT February 1884)

    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/myth.html

    6 "The helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name," said
    Jesus, "that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the
    things I told you." (John 14:26) The holy spirit, sent in Jesus' name, guides
    and strengthens us today. It enlightens us spiritually and helps us to
    understand "even the deep things of God." (1 Corinthians 2:10) Moreover, the
    godly qualities of "love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,
    mildness, self-control" are "the fruitage of the spirit." (Galatians 5:22, 23)
    With the help of the holy spirit, we can cultivate these qualities.

    The holy spirit, sent in Jesus' name, guides and strengthens us today

    But how? Is the individual JW individually directed by the holy spirit?

    Helps us to understand "even the deep things of God."

    *** w52 7/1 p. 396 Giving God's Word First Place in Our Lives ***

    To be properly guided by God's Word we also need the help of his theocratic organization, for it was for its benefit primarily that God gave us his Word, and his holy spirit does not operate independently of his organization, no more than it did in the days of Jesus and his apostles. Were each one of us to determine individually what to teach and our manner and place of preaching, what confusion there would be!

    *** w93 8/15 p. 11 Why You Need to Attend Christian Meetings ***

    Holy spirit, working through God's organization, will also help us to gain a wonderfully clear understanding of what Jehovah has in store for those who love him.

    *** w91 9/15 p. 17 "Help Me Out Where I Need Faith!" ***

    During the great tribulation, it will be just as imperative that we follow the leadings of the holy spirit and obey Jehovah's instructions through his organization.

    *** w60 2/15 p. 104 How Does God's Spirit Operate Today? ***

    These deep things are being made known by the holy spirit through the theocratic organization of Jehovah's witnesses. As those who are responsible for supplying spiritual food for God's people diligently search the Scriptures for accurate knowledge, the spirit broadens their understanding little by little. Thus, in a gradual way, the light of understanding of God's Word grows brighter and brighter as we draw closer to the divinely set date for Armageddon.

    7 As we study the Scriptures and endeavor to apply what we learn, Jehovah's
    spirit helps us to grow in wisdom, discernment, understanding, knowledge,
    judgment, and thinking ability. (Proverbs 2:1-11) Holy spirit also helps us to
    endure temptations and trials. (1 Corinthians 10:13; 2 Corinthians 4:7;
    Philippians 4:13) Christians are exhorted to `cleanse themselves of every
    defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness.' (2 Corinthians 7:1) Can we
    really measure up to God's requirement of holiness, or cleanness, without the
    help of the holy spirit? One of the means Jesus uses to lead us today is the
    holy spirit, which Jehovah God has authorized his Son to employ.-Matthew 28:18.

    Jehovah's spirit helps us to--see above quotes

    Christians--only JWs

    Means Jesus uses to lead us today is the holy spirit--which you can get only through the WTS (see quotes above)

    8 Consider another means by which Christ leads the congregation today.
    Commenting on his presence and the conclusion of the system of things, Jesus
    said: "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed
    over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that
    slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will
    appoint him over all his belongings."-Matthew 24:3, 45-47.

    Faithful and discreet slave--another means to lead the congregation per WTS. How they identify the slave as the WTS is a discussion of many posts in itself.

    http://www.jwfiles.com/inspired.htm

    Do you have a favorite link?

    9 The "master" is Jesus Christ. The "slave" is the group of anointed Christians
    on earth. This slave class is entrusted with caring for Jesus' earthly interests
    and with providing timely spiritual food. A small group of qualified overseers
    from among the composite "faithful and discreet slave" form the Governing Body,
    serving as the representative of the slave class. They direct the worldwide
    Kingdom-preaching work and the supplying of spiritual nourishment at the right
    time. Christ thus leads the congregation by means of the spirit-anointed
    "faithful and discreet slave" and its Governing Body.

    The "slave" is the group of anointed Christians on earth--PROOF?

    Small group of qualified overseers...Governing Body--PROOF?

    Does the phrase "governing body" even appear in the Bible? Name a scripture.

    They direct..Christ thus leads...by means of...--PROOF?

    Did you notice that the WTS capitalizes Governing Body when discussing the WTS group but small letters when discussing the governing body of the first century?

    *** w03 9/1 p. 4 One True Christian Faith-A Reality ***

    They all recognized the authority of a governing body in Jerusalem.

    10 Still another manifestation of Christ's leadership are the "gifts in
    men"-Christian elders, or overseers. They have been given "with a view to the
    readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, for the building up of the
    body of the Christ." (Ephesians 4: 8, 11, 12) Concerning them, Hebrews 13:7
    states: "Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the
    word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out imitate
    their faith." The elders take the lead in the congregation. Since they imitate
    Christ Jesus, their faith becomes worthy of imitation. (1 Corinthians 11:1) We
    can show our gratitude for the elder arrangement by being obedient and
    submissive to these "gifts in men."-Hebrews 13:17.

    Blurb on page 23: Christian elders help us to follow Christ's leadership

    Manifestation of Christ's leadership...Christian elders, or overseers

    Taking the lead--does that make them "leaders"?

    Did you know that up till the early 70's that elders were called "servants"? I guess it is better to be an OVERseer than a SERVant.

    Contemplate how their conduct turns out--so when they lie, cheat, speak abusively of people in the congregation to their face and behind their back, commit adultery, beat their wives and children, sexually abuse their children....and worst of all some stay elders.

    The elders that don't study with their family, don't train their children in the ministry, that don't sit with their family at the meetings because they are too busy talking to another elder in the back of the KH, the elders that swear at home and work and give a comment about how bad swearing is at the WT study.

    *** w94 1/15 p. 20 Shepherds and Sheep in a Theocracy ***

    Following a man is not theocratic. But it is surely wise to imitate the proven faith of a theocratic elder who is active in the evangelizing work, who is regular at meetings, and who deals humbly and lovingly with the congregation.

    (add your own)

    Since they imitate Christ Jesus--is it a given that if a JW is an elder that he is imitating Christ? I think not.

    "gifts in men"--let's not forget "glorious ones" and being told by the CO that they get more holy spirit than the rank and file. "Mighty men" one CO called the elders. Not the sort of people that would wash your feet.

    11 Yes, Jesus Christ leads his followers today through the holy spirit, "the
    faithful and discreet slave," and the congregation elders. Our walking as Christ
    walked involves understanding his way of leading and submitting to it. It also
    requires that we imitate his manner of walking. "To this course you were
    called," wrote the apostle Peter, "because even Christ suffered for you, leaving
    you a model for you to follow his steps closely." (1 Peter 2:21) In what way
    should following Jesus' perfect model affect us?

    His followers--only JWs

    Holy spirit, FDS, congregation elders--another WTS trinity

    Understanding his way of leading--Translation: Understanding the WTS way of leading

    *** w02 3/15 p. 14 Christ Leads His Congregation ***

    These appointed men receive direction from the Governing Body and willingly shepherd the congregation. In this way, Christ is with us now and is actively leading the congregation.

    Submitting to it--doing what the WTS says

    Be Reasonable When Exercising Authority

    12 Though Jesus had received unmatched authority from his Father, he was
    reasonable in the way he wielded it. All in the congregation-particularly the
    overseers-should let their "reasonableness become known to all men."
    (Philippians 4:5; 1 Timothy 3:2, 3) Since elders have a measure of authority in
    the congregation, it is essential that they follow Christ's footsteps in
    exercising it.

    Authority..reasonable in the way he wielded it--makes it sound like a weapon or a tool of punishment.

    All...particularly the overseers...reasonableness--reminds me of the 3 hour shouting matches elders told me about..shouting at other elders.

    Elders have a measure of authority--yes, used to determine hair length, number of ear piercings for sisters, (add your own)

    *** w02 3/15 p. 17 Christ Leads His Congregation ***

    Every Christian-particularly the elders-must follow Christ's leadership. The overseers, or elders, have a measure of authority in the congregation. But they do not seek to be 'the masters over the faith of their fellow believers' by trying to control their lives.

    hahahahahahaha

    13 Jesus took into consideration the limitations of his disciples. He did not
    demand of them more than they were capable of giving. (John 16:12) Without
    pressuring them, Jesus encouraged his followers to `exert themselves vigorously'
    in doing God's will. (Luke 13:24) He did this by taking the lead and by
    appealing to their hearts. Similarly, Christian elders today do not intimidate
    others into serving God through shame or guilt. Rather, they encourage them to
    serve Jehovah out of love for him and for Jesus, as well as for their fellow
    man.-Matthew 22:37-39.

    Limitations--Jesus had no limitations and was understanding; the elders have the same limitations that the rank and file do but are not understanding.

    (Matthew 18:23-35) 23 "That is why the kingdom of the heavens has become like a man, a king, that wanted to settle accounts with his slaves. 24 When he started to settle them, there was brought in a man who owed him ten thousand talents [=60,000,000 de·nar´i·i]. 25 But because he did not have the means to pay [it] back, his master ordered him and his wife and his children and all the things he had to be sold and payment to be made. 26 Therefore the slave fell down and began to do obeisance to him, saying, 'Be patient with me and I will pay back everything to you.' 27 Moved to pity at this, the master of that slave let him off and canceled his debt. 28 But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves that was owing him a hundred de·nar´i·i; and, grabbing him, he began to choke him, saying, 'Pay back whatever you owe.' 29 Therefore his fellow slave fell down and began to entreat him, saying, 'Be patient with me and I will pay you back.' 30 However, he was not willing, but went off and had him thrown into prison until he should pay back what was owing. 31 When, therefore, his fellow slaves saw the things that had happened, they became very much grieved, and they went and made clear to their master all the things that had happened. 32 Then his master summoned him and said to him, 'Wicked slave, I canceled all that debt for you, when you entreated me. 33 Ought you not, in turn, to have had mercy on your fellow slave, as I also had mercy on you?' 34 With that his master, provoked to wrath, delivered him to the jailers, until he should pay back all that was owing. 35 In like manner my heavenly Father will also deal with YOU if YOU do not forgive each one his brother from YOUR hearts."

    Did not demand of them more than they were capable of giving--but the WTS determines what you are capable of giving.

    *** w87 2/1 p. 15 Doing Our Utmost to Declare the Good News ***

    "A FEW years ago, many of us thought that only those with special circumstances could pioneer," wrote a pioneer, or full-time minister, in Japan. "It seems we were wrong. We are learning that only those with special circumstances cannot pioneer."

    Without pressuring...do not intimidate others into serving God through shame or guilt--see quote above.

    (Galatians 5:26) 26 Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.
    (Galatians 6:4) 4 But let each one prove what his own work is, and then he will have cause for exultation in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person. . .

    Has this been your experience in your congregation; do people make comparisons, especially the elders to "encourage" you?

    *** w01 2/1 p. 17 Are You Living Up to Your Dedication? ***

    There is no need for us to make comparisons with others in regard to our time in God's service, our placements of Bible literature, or the number of Bible studies we conduct

    After saying this,

    *** w95 3/1 p. 18 Living Up to Our Dedication "Day After Day" ***

    No one should judge the depth and sincerity of the dedication of another. Each should personally evaluate the extent of his own devotion to Jehovah. (Galatians 6:4)

    The WTS gives this experience. Do you think there is some pressuring, shame and guilt happening here?

    *** w95 3/1 p. 18 Living Up to Our Dedication "Day After Day" ***

    Our devotion to Jehovah deepens as we grow in our appreciation for him. A 14-year-old boy in Japan dedicated himself to Jehovah and symbolized this dedication by water baptism. Later, he wanted to pursue higher education and become a scientist. He never thought of the full-time ministry, but as a dedicated servant, he did not want to leave Jehovah and his visible organization. To realize his career goal, he attended a university. There he saw graduates of the university being forced to dedicate their entire life to their companies or to their studies. He wondered, 'What am I doing here? Can I really pursue their way of life and dedicate myself to secular work? Am I not already dedicated to Jehovah?' With renewed appreciation, he became a regular pioneer. His understanding of his dedication deepened and moved him to determine in his heart to go wherever he was needed. He attended the Ministerial Training School and received an assignment to serve as a missionary overseas.

    *** w94 7/1 p. 27 Joyful Submission to Authority ***

    Conversely, if elders are not careful, they can deprive some of the brothers of their joy. If, for example, they make comparisons, commending those who have reached or exceeded the congregation's average in hours spent witnessing and by implication criticizing those who did not attain it, how will those feel who may have had a valid reason for reporting much less time? Could this not make them feel unnecessarily guilty and deprive them of their joy?

    Making the national average is a standard way that elders determine the level of a JW's spirituality, especially brothers.

    14 Jesus did not abuse the authority entrusted to him by controlling people's
    lives. He neither set unreachable standards nor laid down countless rules. His
    approach was to motivate others by reaching their hearts with the principles
    behind the laws given through Moses. (Matthew 5:27, 28) In imitation of Jesus
    Christ, the elders refrain from making arbitrary rules or insisting on their
    personal viewpoints. In matters of dress and grooming or recreation and
    entertainment, elders try to reach hearts using godly principles, such as those
    outlined at Micah 6: 8; 1 Corinthians 10:31-33; and 1 Timothy 2: 9,10.

    Controlling people's lives...unreachable standards...countless rules...arbitrary rules or insisting on their personal viewpoints...dress and grooming or recreation and entertainment...godly (or elder) principles.

    All these things happened in the congregations I have attended over the last 40 years.

    Several elders told me of times when the CO pulled out a letter from the WTS to the elders where the WTS "suggests" something and clarifying that didn't mean the elders had a choice whether they did it or not; it was from the FDS, thus from Christ and they had to do it.

    *** w96 9/1 p. 20 Living by the Law of the Christ ***

    And there is more. Jehovah's organization, as well as individual congregations, has to establish necessary rules and procedures in order to preserve good order. (1 Corinthians 14:33, 40) Why, Christians could not even meet together if they had no rules as to when, where, and how to hold such meetings! (Hebrews 10:24, 25) Cooperating with reasonable guidelines laid down by those given authority in the organization is also a part of fulfilling the law of the Christ.-Hebrews 13:17.
    Nonetheless, true Christians do not allow their worship to become a meaningless structure of laws. They do not serve Jehovah merely because some individual or organization tells them to do so.

    *** w92 8/15 p. 13 Keep Building One Another Up ***

    The Christian Greek Scriptures show that the apostles did provide helpful advice on some personal matters, such as about clothing and grooming, but they did not resort to making blanket rules.

    Like brothers who want "privileges" not being able to wear beards?

    Or sisters who want recognition as being good association be able to wear slacks to a WTS meeting.

    Be Sympathetic and Forgiving

    15 Christ left a model for us to follow in the way he treated his disciples'
    failures and errors. Consider two events from his last night on earth as a
    human. After arriving at Gethsemane, Jesus "took Peter and James and John along
    with him" and told them to "keep on the watch." Then, "going a little way
    forward he proceeded to fall on the ground and began praying." Upon returning,
    he "found them sleeping." How did Jesus respond? He said: "The spirit, of
    course, is eager, but the flesh is weak." (Mark 14:32-38) Instead of sharply
    rebuking Peter, James, and John, he expressed sympathy! On that same night,
    Peter denied Jesus three times. (Mark 14:66-72) How did Jesus treat Peter
    thereafter? "The Lord was raised up and he appeared to Simon [Peter]." (Luke
    24:34) "He appeared to Cephas," says the Bible, "then to the twelve." (1
    Corinthians 15:5) Instead of feeling resentment, Jesus forgave the repentant
    apostle and strengthened him. Later, Jesus entrusted Peter with great
    responsibilities.-Acts 2:14; 8:14-17; 10: 44, 45.

    The way he treated his disciples' failures and errors
    Spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak
    Instead of sharply rebuking...he expressed sympathy

    Peter denied Jesus three times--only days later after his "apostate" behavior, Peter spoke to the Jews about Christ. I wonder if an elder body would reinstate a "repentant" JW after only 50 days?

    16 When our fellow believers fail us or wrong us in some way because of human
    imperfection, should we not also be sympathetic and forgiving as Jesus was?
    Peter urged his fellow believers: "All of you be like-minded, showing fellow
    feeling, having brotherly affection, tenderly compassionate, humble in mind, not
    paying back injury for injury or reviling for reviling, but, to the contrary,
    bestowing a blessing." (1 Peter 3:8, 9) What if another person fails to treat us
    as Jesus would have, refusing to be sympathetic or forgiving? Even then we are
    under obligation to try to imitate Jesus and respond as he would have.-1 John
    3:16.

    Our fellow believers fail us or wrong us in some way because of human imperfection

    Physical and sexual abuse?
    Defrauding of our life's savings?
    Having sex with our spouse?

    As Jesus was?

    According to the WTS, did Jesus forgive Judas?
    According to the WTS, aren't there sins that are unforgivable?

    *** it-1 p. 862 Forgiveness ***

    However, Christians are not required to forgive those who practice malicious, willful sin with no repentance. Such become God's enemies.-Heb 10:26-31; Ps 139:21, 22.

    *** w97 12/1 pp. 19-20 'Continue Forgiving One Another Freely'/Forgive

    What, though, if others sin against us in a way that inflicts the deepest of wounds, and yet there is no acknowledgment of the sin, no repentance, and no apology on the part of the offender? (Proverbs 28:13) The Scriptures clearly indicate that Jehovah does not forgive unrepentant, hardened sinners. (Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26, 27) What about us? Insight on the Scriptures says: "Christians are not required to forgive those who practice malicious, willful sin with no repentance. Such become God's enemies." (Volume 1, page 862) No Christian who has been a victim of extremely unjust, detestable, or heinous treatment should feel forced to forgive, or pardon, a wrongdoer who is not repentant.-Psalm 139:21, 22.

    *** w94 9/15 p. 6 Why Be Forgiving? ***

    Where there is no such repentance, Jehovah does not forgive. Moreover, God does not expect Christians to forgive those who were once enlightened spiritually but who now willfully, unrepentantly practice wrongdoing. (Hebrews 10:26-31) In extreme cases, forgiveness may well be inappropriate.-Psalm 139:21, 22; Ezekiel 18:30-32.

    *** g95 6/8 p. 11 Forgive and Forget-How Possible? ***

    There may, however, be instances where we are not even obligated to forgive. No victim of extremes in unjust or cruel treatment should be forced to forgive an unrepentant wrongdoer. (Compare Psalm 139:21, 22.)

    Put Kingdom Interests First

    17 In yet another way, we need to walk as Jesus Christ walked. Declaring the
    good news of God's Kingdom occupied the central place in Jesus' life. After
    preaching to the Samaritan woman near the city of Sychar in Samaria, Jesus told
    his disciples: "My food is for me to do the will of him that sent me and to
    finish his work." (John 4:34) The doing of his Father's will sustained Jesus; it
    was as nourishing, satisfying, and refreshing to him as food. Would imitating
    Jesus by remaining focused on doing God's will lead to anything less than a
    truly meaningful and satisfying life?

    Blurb on page 24: Young people, what plans are you making for a rewarding
    Christian life?

    (Picture showing young man with father in suits touring Bethel; young woman with mother at a door--message, only males are wanted at Bethel and that women are to do the lesser working of preaching.)

    Declaring the good news of God's Kingdom

    The WTS has been "emphasizing" this is the last 5 articles because the rank and file are not as energetic as in the past. Could the lack of a real date for the end to hope for be part of the cause?

    Where in these sample presentations do you see mention of the good news of God's kingdom (or even saying God's name is Jehovah even though that the title of the book is "Draw Close to Jehovah")?

    *** km 1/03 p. 3 Presentations for Draw Close to Jehovah ***

    With Bible in hand, say: "Many people who believe in God would like to feel closer to him. Did you know that God invites us to draw close to him? [Read James 4:8.] This publication is designed to help people use their own Bible to draw close to God." Read paragraph 1 on page 16.
    With Bible in hand, say: "Today injustice abounds. It is just as described here. [Read Ecclesiastes 8:9b.] Many wonder if God even cares. [Read the first two sentences of paragraph 4 on page 119.] This chapter explains why God has permitted injustice for a time."

    18 When parents encourage their children to take up full-time service, they as
    well as their offspring receive many blessings. A father of twin sons held
    pioneer service before them as a goal from their early childhood. After
    finishing their secular education, the twins did become pioneers. Reflecting on
    the joys he has experienced as a result, this father writes: "Our boys have not
    disappointed us. Gratefully we can say, 'Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah."'
    (Psalm 127:3) And how do children benefit from pursuing full-time service? A
    mother of five says: "Pioneering has helped all my children to develop a much
    closer relationship with Jehovah, has improved their personal study habits, has
    helped them learn how to manage their time wisely, and has helped them learn to
    put spiritual things first in their lives. Although all of them had to make many
    adjustments, none of them regret the path they have chosen to follow."

    Parents encourage their children to take up full-time service

    How many parents have or are in full-time service themselves? (or elders for that matter)

    Pioneer service..for their early childhood--And why was not the father pioneering himself? How hard would it be to find an example of that?

    Our boys have not disappointed us--and if they had not been able to pioneer or continue as such would they have been a disappointment?

    Benefit from pursuing full-time service...closer relationship with Jehovah...improved personal study habits...manage their time wisely...put spiritual things first

    Are we to understand that JWs who don't pioneer are not as close with God, have poorer study habits, don't manage their time wisely, and aren't putting spiritual things first? If a person's circumstances don't allow pioneering, does that mean they can grow as much spiritually as a pioneer. Is a person's spirituality measured by the number of hours spent knocking on doors? Aren't all Christians full-time; whoever heard of a part-time Christian?

    finishing secular education--only high school and perhaps a year or two at a vocational school. College or the university is out now.

    None of them regret--NO REGRETS after each experience at the district convention this year.

    19 Youths, what are your plans for the future? Are you seeking to excel in some
    professional field? Or are you working toward a career in the full-time service?
    "Keep strict watch that how you walk is not as unwise but as wise persons,"
    admonished Paul, "buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days
    are wicked." He adds: "On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on
    perceiving what the will of Jehovah is."-Ephesians 5:15-17.

    Youths, what are your plans for the future--Translation: what are your parents' plans for your future and if you don't cooperate you will be a disappointment and asked to move out.

    Seeking to excel in some professional field--does that mean you can seek to excel in a nonprofessional field?

    Career in full-time service--how many parents and elders have a career in full-time service; is a career just for a year or two? Haven't parents been able to support a family a pioneer too?

    Jehovah (Ephesians 5:15-17)--was "Jehovah" in the original NT Greek manuscripts?

    Be Loyal

    20 Walking as Jesus walked calls for imitating his loyalty. Concerning Jesus'
    loyalty, the Bible states: "Although he was existing in God's form, [he] gave no
    consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he
    emptied himself and took a slave's form and came to be in the likeness of men.
    More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself
    and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake." Jesus
    loyally upheld Jehovah's sovereignty by submitting to God's will for him. He
    became obedient as far as suffering death on a torture stake. We must "keep this
    mental attitude" and loyally submit to doing God's will.-Philippians 2: 5-8.

    Imitate his loyalty--was Jesus loyal to God or to an organization?Loyally upheld Jehovah's sovereignty--Translation: uphold WTS authorityObedient--to the WTSLoyally submit--to the WTS

    *** w02 4/1 p. 28 Stay Awake, Move Ahead Courageously! ***

    . Are we going to remain loyal to Jehovah and his organization? 'We will have to display such loyalty as individuals,' noted Brother Jaracz.

    *** w01 10/1 p. 22 What Does It Mean to Be Loyal? ***

    Loyalty to God also includes loyalty to his organization.

    21 Jesus also showed loyalty to his faithful apostles. Despite their weaknesses
    and imperfections, Jesus loved them "to the end." (John 13:1) Similarly, we
    should not let the imperfections of our brothers cause us to adopt a critical
    attitude.

    Loyalty to his faithful apostles..despite their weaknesses and imperfections...loved them "to the end"

    How many JWs have you had stop talking to you or avoiding you because you were bad association; this is called personal "marking." How many have had so-called brothers and sisters stab them in the back with untrue allegations.

    Is being critical of the WTS being critical of God?

    Adhere to the Pattern Set by Jesus

    22 Of course, as imperfect humans, we cannot walk precisely in the footsteps of
    our perfect Exemplar. However, we can strive to follow his steps closely. Doing
    so requires that we understand and submit to Christ's way of leading and stick
    to the pattern he set.

    Submit to Christ's way of leading--only through the WTS

    *** w86 3/1 p. 27 Do You Effectively Reason From the Scriptures? ***

    We want them to be worshipers of Jehovah, to walk in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, and to appreciate the organization through which Jehovah is leading his servants today

    *** w75 9/1 p. 527 Have Intense Love for One Another ***

    So the Christian must seek and follow the leading of God's holy spirit in union with the organization that Jehovah is using on the earth today.

    23 Becoming imitators of Christ leads to many blessings. Our life becomes more
    meaningful and satisfying because we are focused on doing God's will rather than
    our own. (John 5:30; 6:38) We have a good conscience. Our way of walking becomes
    exemplary. Jesus invited all who were toiling and loaded down to come to him and
    find refreshment for their souls. (Matthew 11:2830) When we follow Jesus'
    example, we too can refresh others by our association. Let us, then, continue to
    walk as Jesus walked.

    Many blessings--everlasting life?

    Doing God's will rather than our own--WTS will

    *** w68 3/15 p. 182 Do Not Think More of Yourself than Is Necessary ***

    The submissive Christian is always learning from God's Word and applying what he learns to his own life. He eagerly does God's will as it is progressively revealed through Jehovah's visible organization.

    Concluding Comments

    Every time I do a review I am so grateful that I don't go to the KH any more to hear the comments read from the paragraph prefaced by "the paragraph says" "the slave says" "the magazine says" "the society says." To hear maybe 2 scriptures read (including the theme scripture). How many in your congregation actually read a scripture to support their answer (reading a "snippet" from the paragraph doesn't count)? For those that must still attend, may these comments help.

    If Christ came back to earth today, how would he be received by the the people at your KH? Would they kill him again?

    Well, it's time to do the fall yardwork and get my pumpkins.

    Love, Blondie

    Do You Recall?

    - How does Christ lead his followers today?
    - How can elders follow Christ's lead in exercising their God-given authority?
    - How can we follow Jesus' example when dealing with the shortcomings of others?
    - How can youths put Kingdom interests first?

    Questions

    1, 2. What is involved in looking intently at Jesus?
    3, 4. (a) Walking as Jesus Christ walked requires what on our part? (b) What
    questions deserve our attention?
    5. Before his ascension to heaven, what promise did Jesus make to his followers?
    6, 7. How does Jesus lead us by means of the holy spirit?
    8, 9. How does Christ use "the faithful and discreet slave" to provide
    leadership?
    10. What should be our attitude toward the elders, and why?
    11. By what means does Christ lead his followers today, and what is involved in
    walking as he did?
    12. What aspect of Christ's example is of particular interest to the elders in
    the congregation?
    13, 14. In what way can elders imitate Christ as they encourage others to serve
    God?
    15. How did Jesus respond to the failures of his disciples?
    16. How can we walk as Jesus walked when our fellow believers fail us or wrong
    us in some way?
    17. What shows that Jesus gave the doing of God's will the first place in his
    life?
    18. What blessings result from encouraging children to take up the full-time
    service?
    19. What plans for the future should youths wisely consider?
    20, 21. In what way was Jesus loyal, and how can we imitate his loyalty?
    22, 23. What are the benefits of adhering to the pattern set by Jesus?

  • truthsetsonefree
    truthsetsonefree

    What a waste of precious time. One can only wonder why the Society feels the need to spend so many weeks talking about the same self exulting stuff. Isn't there a better way to spend that time? Like maybe the elders doing some real shepherding? Or families spending quality time together, having fun, or maybe even having thjose meaningful family studies the Society endorses so much.

    Great summary Blondie.

  • clear2c
    clear2c

    WOW Blondie,

    I have also had all those same feelings and thought's about the WTS ... is it all about them or is it about jehovah. but I held in as long as I could with my feelings becuse of KNOWING that if anything else was said that I would loose my entire family. Personally any religion that asks that you SHUN family or others that you have a MORAL obligation to be nice too can not be the truth. This fact is pretty painfully obvious to people forced into the religion by being born into The Truth and many that sit in the hall everyday.. the problem is that THERE IS NO WAY TO EXIT with a clear concious! they hold your family hostage.

    Thanks for your post, very interesting points :)

  • blondie
    blondie

    Welcome, TSOF,

    Isn't there a better way to spend that time? Like maybe the elders doing some real shepherding? Or families spending quality time together, having fun, or maybe even having thjose meaningful family studies the Society endorses so much.

    One word, CONTROL. The WTS decides and the elders enforce what you will do with your time. Families can spend quality time at the KH and studying at the KH is superior to studying at home. Of course, there is more holy spirit at the KH and the more people the more holy spirit.

    Jesus felt differently though.

    (Matthew 18:20) For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst."

    clear2c, you will find a way to exit. Eventually, family makes it clear that you are expendable. I am 3rd generation back to Bible Student days. It took me 40 years, but I am FREE AT LAST.

    Welcome to JWD.

    Love, Blondie

  • Darth Yhwh
    Darth Yhwh

    Hey Blondie, where do you get your Watchtowers from?

  • blondie
    blondie

    I have various sources. JWs love being able to have a reliable place to "dump" or rather "place" four copies every month (3 starting in January, 1 less Awake).

    Why do you want to get them, Darth?

  • nowisee
    nowisee

    hey blondie -

    scathing and truthful analysis as usual.

    thanks for all of your work.

    best wishes, nowisee

  • Frogleg
    Frogleg

    Blondie,

    Thank you for the efforts you put into that. I find that I have to read it a little bit at a time, because it doesn't take too many of the WT sentences to start getting me angry. Para 10 was particularly , uh, "interesting". Funny how they assume that each and every elder is a "gift". I never found any of them to be of what I might consider gift status. The curious thing about the para is that it implies that elders will never do anything wrong, and that God will judge us only by our submissiveness, not by what is right or wrong. The insidious nature of the article itself is what is so telling and (I have used many words here, but I keep comming back to this one) evil; it reminds me of the rhetoric of a very sly politician. On the surface, the article seems to be a statement as to how Jesus thought and acted (i.e. "walked") and how studying it will benefit ourselves; but, in reality, it is statement telling me how I am expected (not asked, not encouraged, but expected) to react to any situation regardless of the circumstances. But, the very foundation of their logic is wrong. By their own reasoning, JC earned his punishment, that is, JC did not go to his death as an innocent lamb, as he was not submissive to the Jewish religious leaders, in fact, he was quite the opposite, calling them names and publicly instructing the people about their hypocracy, kicking over tables, usurping their authority by reason and wit. Further, the religious leaders of JC's day had much, much more authority, lineage, and history to call themselves "gifts of men" than do the arbitrary, "Take our word for it", group that runs the Borg today. It is impossible to believe that if JC had acted the way para 10 says that a good JW must act, that the 1st century religious leaders would have ever had motivation or reason to kill him. By JCs cited examples, (gosh, I don't know how to say this) most of the people on this board are doing what should be done: pointing out the failings, the errors, the wrongs being committed by religion ruling in the name of God, and encouraging as many people as possible to actively search for truth, while staying true to their conscience as they know it to be.

  • PoppyR
    PoppyR

    Thank you for all the effort you've put into this! I will be attending a meeting today for the first time in quite a while, lot of family pressure, younger brothers first public talk. Actually I'm quite looking forward to going with 'clear vision' But your post has helped me a lot. I think I may need a padlock on my mouth though so I dont get myself into trouble

  • blondie
    blondie

    Thanks, nowisee,

    scathing and truthful analysis as usual.

    This article inspired me to be scathing. I remember the first time I read the book below written by 2 Lutheran ministers. Not a word a bout JWs or the WTS but any JW or ex-JW will see the WTS manipulative tactics clearly (probably create cognitive dissonance in the JW though).

    Good insight, frogleg,

    Para 10 was particularly , uh, "interesting". Funny how they assume that each and every elder is a "gift". I never found any of them to be of what I might consider gift status. The curious thing about the para is that it implies that elders will never do anything wrong, and that God will judge us only by our submissiveness, not by what is right or wrong.

    The few elders that really tried were treated like crap by the other elders because it made them look bad.

    By their own reasoning, JC earned his punishment, that is, JC did not go to his death as an innocent lamb, as he was not submissive to the Jewish religious leaders
    By JCs cited examples, (gosh, I don't know how to say this) most of the people on this board are doing what should be done: pointing out the failings, the errors, the wrongs being committed by religion ruling in the name of God, and encouraging as many people as possible to actively search for truth, while staying true to their conscience as they know it to be.

    Good luck, PoppyR

    Thank you for all the effort you've put into this! I will be attending a meeting today for the first time in quite a while, lot of family pressure, younger brothers first public talk.
    I think I may need a padlock on my mouth though so I dont get myself into trouble

    Maybe you will find a way to adapt a comment here. I used to find a way to insert "food for thought" without getting in trouble. In fact, about 5 to 10 people at the KH would come up and compliment me on my comment, mentioning a specific point so I knew I gotten through that it wasn’t just a generic "good comment" statement.

    Great comments, folks

    . Your insight helps me see deeper into the WTS manipulations.

    Blondie

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