Posts by manda63

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New methods?

by manda63 in

hi, had some strange things happen this week that have made me ponder what on earth is going on with the man made organisation.. 1/ while picking up some train tickets i was approached by a young man with an ipad of sorts who engaged me in a chap and then asked to show me a new website i asked what he was trying to sell or promote he assured me that he was selling nothing the website he showed me was jw.org so i quickly said so you are promoting an organisation with a brand name similar to how a christian would promote jesus and the bible he looked confused but then said yes, so i said that i thought that to be quite shamefull, he froze for a bit and didnt comment so i asked is this new symbol a trade mark of some marketting firm to which he said "no we are jehovahs witnesses" no one else was around so not sure of the "we" but anyway i said if god has given us the bible whats with a website that produces snippets out the bible with an opinion on the meaning he avoided the question and asked me what i believed in so i said my religions leeders dont let me discuss belief with anybody so i obey,listen to them and dont question he said "you have been blessed by j with a brain and freedom of thought to look and question" i said ok but i think its strange that you use a name for god thats perhaps made up by man, blindly follow and dont question a group of self appointed men as well as showing signs of idoatory to an organisation that has pushed jesus to one side, at this he suddenly he had to dash off.

2/ when out shopping i was apprehended by a group of people with a stand giving free literature and promoting the jw.org website so i had had to ask whats with this name change after all these years and are you a similar religion to the catholic church which led to a chat about how the catholic religion is false and how they wickedly have covered up sex abuse!

i didnt bite on this one but asked if birth control was banned in the jw.org religion a lady stepped forward and explained that it was cruel and not biblical to ban contreception i said i had been shown a bit in the bible that gives rise to this ban and she said they(catholic church) dont understand the bible and use it to control and miss inform people so i replied similar to how your organisation bans blood and birthdays by misinterpreting the bible i went on to say that i believe the organisation to be hypocritical,false , cult like and shamefull how it covers up sex abuse i also got in that the organisation had totally corrupted its self with its un membership and also with the sheer amount of false prophecy over its relatively short history at which the senior man at the table politely told me if i wasnt interested in the literature to be on my way and that hopefully i would mature enough to let jehovah into my heart before it was to late and that he felt sorry for me and the people i obviously associated with.

manda63

Hi, had some strange things happen this week that have made me ponder what on earth is going on with the man made organisation.

1/ While picking up some train tickets I was approached by a young man with an Ipad of sorts who engaged me in a chap and then asked to show me a New website I asked what he was trying to sell or promote he assured me that he was selling nothing the website he showed me was JW.Org so I quickly said so you are promoting an organisation with a brand name similar to how a Christian would promote Jesus and the Bible he looked confused but then said yes, so I said that I thought that to be quite shamefull, He froze for a bit and didnt comment so I asked is this new symbol a trade mark of some marketting firm to which he said "no We are Jehovahs Witnesses" no one else was around so not sure of the "we" but anyway I said if God has given us the Bible whats with a website that produces snippets out the bible with an Opinion on the meaning he avoided the question and asked me what I believed in so I said my religions leeders dont let me discuss belief with anybody so I obey,listen to them and dont question he said "you have been blessed by J with a brain and freedom of thought to look and question" i said ok but I think its strange that you use a name for God thats perhaps made up by man, blindly follow and dont question a group of self appointed men as well as showing signs of Idoatory to an Organisation that has pushed Jesus to one side, at this he suddenly he had to dash off. 2/ when out shopping I was apprehended by a group of people with a stand giving free literature and promoting the JW.Org website so I had had to ask whats with this name change after all these years and are you a similar religion to the Catholic church which led to a chat about how the Catholic religion is false and how they wickedly have covered up sex abuse! I didnt bite on this one but asked if birth control was banned in the JW.Org religion a lady stepped forward and explained that it was cruel and not biblical to ban contreception I said I had been shown a bit in the bible that gives rise to this ban and she said they(catholic church) dont understand the Bible and use it to control and miss inform people so i replied similar to how your organisation bans blood and birthdays by misinterpreting the Bible I went on to say that I believe the Organisation to be Hypocritical,false , cult like and shamefull how it covers up sex abuse I also got in that the Organisation had totally corrupted its self with its UN membership and also with the sheer amount of false prophecy over its relatively short history at which the senior man at the table politely told me if I wasnt interested in the literature to be on my way and that hopefully I would mature enough to let Jehovah into my heart before it was to late and that he felt sorry for me and the people I obviously associated with. Longish stories I know but it would appear that the religion is moving in a strange path to worship the new abbreviated name,the Organisation and the self appointed men who pretend to be Gods only channel even though understanding the meaning of the bible is at the end of the day just an Opinion and thats why they make so many mistakes and history has the habit of proving things they say not true. in the future perhaps prayers will be "in the name of the Governing body. Amen"

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Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

by AnnOMaly in

this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

manda63

If the governing body say its the correct date then its the correct date (even if they moved it to June with some New Light sprinkled on for good measure) Dont question it

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Brethren

by manda63 in

got approached by a brethren the other day who started to engage me in conversation about christianity i thought at first that he was a gb witness but turned out not when i explained to him that i thought he was one he said no no not one of those that lie and decieve he represented a true religion that only those that follow will get ever lasting life etc they apparently stick to first century teachings and when i said followers of the governing body also claim this so he explained how they differ;.

brethren - 1/ clergy dont lie about not having paid clergy as they actually dont have paid clergy the only exception being missionary`s who are sponsored.

2/ neck ties-not worn as they are pagan.

manda63

Didnt ask about the charital status thing but guess he would have used that to illustrate a prophecy of the world turning against his true religion as no doubt the watchtower church would if it found itself stripped of its charity status. Point 1 interesting, 2+3 strange, not sure about 6 becouse im sure a lot of witnesses do read the bible not just snippits.

He didnt leave me with an urge to convert to his faith,nor investigate further and I dont believe he has the TRUTH, but it was interesting that he got caught up into comparing his belief rather than avoiding and getting straight to the point-Gods message and goal

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WTBT$ will no longer support Elder's legally....

by Newly Enlightened in

we received an email and are wondering if anyone can verify this little tidbit of news.

does anyone know if this is true or not?.

maybe any elder's on here?.

manda63

Elders could face personel criminal damages against themselves for not reporting sex abuse to he police or in such events as stonewalling the police when investigated. Alot of questions need to be asked should they follow the law of the land or protect the good name of the Church thus facing posible prosecution without expensive legal team.

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Brethren

by manda63 in

got approached by a brethren the other day who started to engage me in conversation about christianity i thought at first that he was a gb witness but turned out not when i explained to him that i thought he was one he said no no not one of those that lie and decieve he represented a true religion that only those that follow will get ever lasting life etc they apparently stick to first century teachings and when i said followers of the governing body also claim this so he explained how they differ;.

brethren - 1/ clergy dont lie about not having paid clergy as they actually dont have paid clergy the only exception being missionary`s who are sponsored.

2/ neck ties-not worn as they are pagan.

manda63

Got approached by a Brethren the other day who started to engage me in conversation about christianity I thought at first that he was a GB witness but turned out not when I explained to him that I thought he was one he said no no not one of those that lie and decieve he represented a True religion that only those that follow will get ever lasting life etc They apparently stick to first century teachings and when I said followers of the Governing Body also claim this so he explained how they differ;

Brethren - 1/ Clergy Dont lie about not having paid clergy as they actually dont have paid clergy the only exception being Missionary`s who are sponsored

2/ Neck ties-not worn as they are pagan

3/ radios,tv and computers not allowed

4/ crosses not on display at meeting rooms- I stopped him here and said neither do the Watchtower Church have the cross on show as they rightly or wrongly believe Jesus to have been put to death on a stake

5/ Evangalizing done but no time sheets kept for high up to clergy to view -no need higher authority in God who knows what you are doing

6/ everybody reads the bible in full unlike Witness`s who tend to just read a paragraph highlighted by the watchtower that could be taken out of context-interesting point

7/ Dont give False and endless made up dates for the End time although firmly believe it is coming soon but only God knows exactly when

8/ would not shun a family member who leaves the church but couldnt eat or drink in the same room

9/ Not allowed to take up arms in war

He also mentioned that in his on mind from bible reading and knowledge of first century christians that cremation could be a sin as it is pagan and only brought in centuries later with mainstream christianity but then so could wedding rings(bands) be classed as pagan. Twisting three bits of string together at wedding ceremonys is also apparently pagan as it is bringing together the elements in "the old religion"

Interesting fellow so just thought I would post

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I told my wife that she was in a cult...

by garyneal in

jw
friends

...it is not the first time i did this but from time to time when i get frustrated i tend to say things i later regret, like this.. she went to the meeting this past sunday and apparently she heard a talk about watching her associations.

she told me that she was glad to have that talk because the message was timely for her.

you see, the saturday night prior she and my kids were at her sisters house and her sister and friends suggested that she hang out with them sometime.

manda63

I would be a little cautious on this one as I did a similar thing -question to much and she will get help from the elders who will give "extra help,extra advice" and will do more to isolate her from you and anybody else that doesnt have the Team GB banner. If you are known to know or talk to Apostates you will bring on even more special caring attention. I will no longer allow publications out on show nor will I allow Elders into our home while I am in but it has caused alot of unrest and pain in our marriage becouse all the time it looks in her eyes as if im in the wrong for not accepting Jehovah GB God. But friend I Hope things turn out ok for you both. Incidently I was told by the first Apostate(dedicated christian) "George" I met in the earlly 80`s who lost his faith in the Organisation during the 70`s teachings, he explained that he believed the Generations Idea to be false but when he questioned it the trouble began - if you are told to plant turnips upside down etc,he went on to say that the Organisation would not be happy until the main men had achieved Pope like status which as we can now see the famous eight have now achieved. Hopefully George has lived long enough to see his own Prophecy to be true and complete. I was told at the same time by Witness friends? that I needed to not bother about Pensions,Education for my sons nor would they be getting to an age to marry etc becouse we were that close to the End time! -My sons -They both did get married,the world didnt end which is good but unfortunatly I now have no pension to spend when I retire becouse the Kindly advice given was of course all UNTRUE. So George you can see was a good wise man and strangely enough the most truthful- thought all Apostates were evil and bad?

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JW Wife complications

by manda63 in

jw
friends

hi, my wife became a jw about 25 years ago and at the time while it all sounded crazy to me but i could see not wrong and have no problem with people having a religion , it started to become apparent that her choice of religion was almost cult like with all the controls in place.

we no longer have a social life together as she will only be with clan members not wordly people and i have stopped going round to her friends houses for get togethers becouse i am sick to death of being questioned and mocked about my beliefs,hearing other religion being called so harsh,wordly people being talked about as if scum and all the other haughty talk.

i am not allowed any material in the house that might be apostate,satanic?

manda63

Thank you all for the quick and helpfull response.

Just to clarify I havent banned all material from the "caring organisation" I have just banned it from being out on show ie its kept away in a cupboard or gets put in the trash can like any of my dvd`s that are over the age of 12 rated ie action(to violent) films James Bond etc,books being deemed as pornia? this was a John updike book! science fiction book-satanic? crime novels-satanic?.

I think the problems got worse when I started to not go to JW shindigs even though I used to for 20 years and when questioned about it I pointed out that I couldnt sit in a room anymore with people that call the Pope but worship the similar GB, call the Catholics for sex abuse coverups even though it happens in the JW organisation, calling the clergy(my uncle is a Vicar) boasting that they have none- CO`S are paid and provided with cars arent they Clergy? Worldly people bashing, me being of no set religion would consider myself Worldly but not a bad person work hard,live a clean life etc so I find the chat boastful Idolization of the organisation,Very disrespectful and very hypocritical. my wife sees no wrong in what is said becouse it is all Biblical! and does nothing to back me up just joins in with opinions or nods and shakes her head so as much as I would like I can not endure anymore of those situations. I have been bombarded over the years that I am letting my family down by not accepting the True god and that my sons would never get to the age to marry and would be fatherless in Paradise-Thank you! but actually they did grow up to marry and both are very happy one a witness one not -so I dont know what all that was about? oh yes The Generation folly

The stern men in sharp suits often arrived unanounced to try and talk sense into me, reiterate what the grounds arefor spirital divorce are-threats! and warn me about two friends I have that are "apostates" these two people I dont consider as apostates they have merely changed to another christian religion and strive to do good charity work in a non boastfull way ,they dont even ever call the JW`S So actually are very good people.

The Elders do stir up trouble due to me telling them not to come to my house,that I dont acknowledge them as having any authority over me nor do I have any fear of an Organisation that often says things will happen that later dont. I pointed out that nowhere in the Bible does it say that you can dodge out of this by putting blame on human mistake-It clearly says it in every Bible with no ps "unless it is the watchtower organisation " obviously this did not go down well and has caused me to be perhaps marked and more attention (pressure) put on my wife.

I will continue to do my best to be a good Husband and father do nice things have weekends away be nice and loving to my wife not complain about the £20 she gives to the "8 Popes media company" in lew of clothes and hairdressers each week? but also perhaps order the Hassan book for good measure

Thank you all and enjoy everyday we have on this mostly wonderful planet

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JW Wife complications

by manda63 in

jw
friends

hi, my wife became a jw about 25 years ago and at the time while it all sounded crazy to me but i could see not wrong and have no problem with people having a religion , it started to become apparent that her choice of religion was almost cult like with all the controls in place.

we no longer have a social life together as she will only be with clan members not wordly people and i have stopped going round to her friends houses for get togethers becouse i am sick to death of being questioned and mocked about my beliefs,hearing other religion being called so harsh,wordly people being talked about as if scum and all the other haughty talk.

i am not allowed any material in the house that might be apostate,satanic?

manda63

Hi, my wife became a JW about 25 years ago and at the time while it all sounded crazy to me but I could see not wrong and have no problem with people having a religion , it started to become apparent that her choice of religion was almost cult like with all the controls in place. We no longer have a social life together as she will only be with Clan members not Wordly people and I have stopped going round to her friends houses for get togethers becouse I am sick to death of being questioned and mocked about my beliefs,hearing other religion being called so harsh,wordly people being talked about as if scum and all the other haughty talk. I am not allowed any material in the house that might be Apostate,satanic? or from other religions. as a counter measure I have told her she can have her literature but it must be hidden at all times due to the Fact I find it offensive and against my conscience,also I have told her as I believe it to be a false religion ,8 wicked men,false prophets etc so I need to take into account the guilty by association chestnut so result is now nothing on show. I go out on my own for social gatherings although I would love to be able to share with wife. We have taken up walking as an activity we can share together but it does at times put a strain on our marriage becouse she deeply believes and is encouraged to believe by her sheppards that one day I will wake up to the "truth?". I wish she would wake up. I just wonder do people out witnessing understand the damage that can be caused to a marriage when they latch onto either a wife or husband. Why cant a married couple of mixed belief have friends of mixed belief in the eyes of God surely it leads to devision and trouble

ps. I love my wife and have been married since I was 20 so im not looking for an excuse to leave far from it but I wont be becoming an overlapping generation believing or whatever next witness either -perhaps I should just pretend that one day I will do just to keep the peace