Posts by Mazza

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Do You Think You'll See Your Dead Loved Ones Again

by minimus in

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do you think that you will see your dear loved ones come back to life in a ressurection of some sort or do you think there is no hope of such a thing?

Mazza

Well I don't get to see 99% them while they are alive so maybe when they are dead I'll get a chance.
I will look into their coffin - unless I pop my cloggs first of course!

I don't believe in life after death but......... have they fully explained ghosts? Most ghost stories sound
phony, but some sound very weird. I also had an experience recently that made me wonder if
there is something more going on than meets the eye. But like all weird experiences, it could be explained
by coicidence. But it was a very, very weird coicidence !

Marilyn

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Sign of the Last Days THEN!

by JanH in

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the last days in the 14th century

all through recorded history there have been people who have pointed to the calamities, horrors and disasters in the world, and preached that this signified an imminent end of the world.

this isnt even unique to christianity, which started off with strong millennial expectations in the 1st century, and for the most part retains the same expectations almost 2000 years later.

Mazza

::::::::::You ARE a gentleman and a scholar.

Cripes Jan, that's a first. A gentleman eh? Never mind. No-one's perfect. Anyway I wanted to add my praise to the list. I seldom down load anything from here but I did the one from the other day about the generation. It's a pet hate of my semi jw fathers - so I faxed all 6 pages to him. I'll give him a bell soon to see how he enjoyed it. I'm glad you heavy weights make the time to do this stuff for us lesser mortals.

Marilyn

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More advice needed for dan!

by bboyneko in

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okay here is the situation in a nutshell: i am being offered a job with the former vice president of my current place of employment.. here is the details:.

i got hired at an ipo in late april.

it was the ceo, 2 vice presidents and me.

Mazza

Geez Lisa, I didn't like to use the term "bull shit" coz I didn't have enough knowledge of business to be that forthright. So I used "hype" instead. I think your choice of words is better. I really did think Greg was OTT - if my husband received an offer like that we'd both be laughing out loud. You and I may not be right - but you really have to be suspicious of someone who talks like that. "empty vessles make the most sound"!

Marilyn

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More advice needed for dan!

by bboyneko in

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okay here is the situation in a nutshell: i am being offered a job with the former vice president of my current place of employment.. here is the details:.

i got hired at an ipo in late april.

it was the ceo, 2 vice presidents and me.

Mazza

Where has the money come from to set up such a great sounding opportunity. I don't personally like hype, which Greg is obviously very good at, but I'd be wanting to know the facts behind the hype. Also if your current job is insecure and it's in the same industry, why would the new one be any more secure? Other than that - I see no reason not to change jobs, IF you are satisfied the new job is a bonafide going concern.

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Watching my parents age and die.....

by LDH in

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i just posted this on teejay's thread, but in case some didn't read that thread i will repost it here, the enhanced version, because i believe it deserves its own thread.. recently, my parents visited with me.

(the great apostate, can you believe it?).

technically, they were here to visit my kids and husband, as i am df'd [8>].

Mazza

Teejay, I hope you are still swilling beer and not slumped over your keyboard, snoring it off. I agree with what you said about everything that is wrong with kids being the parents fault. BUT what the hell are we meant to do about it after we've mismanaged them all their lives? It's not like we set out to fuck em' up. We come into parenting about as prepared as Adam and Eve were for the 'apple test. Of course now that I'm nearly 50 and much, much wiser, I'd do a lotta things differently - but when I was 25, a dub, and having my first child, I was a dumbo in oh so many ways! Added to that I carried with me the dysfunctional behavior I learned from my parents, who learned it from their parents......

I am lately of the opinion that I should never have had kids, because I spend most of my time agnonising about them. Admittedly I'm at a disadvantage because in Australia we don't send our kids away to College. We send them to a University in the town we live in, which means they live at home until they are quite old. What I've found is that I'm now really tired of the whole parenting business. I feel like the mother bird who wants to say to her grown chick's: Oh bugger off!!! Because THEY really need their private lives and I need some space and we just get on each others nerves now.

LISA, I was really glad to hear that you are very close to your father. It was my relationship with my father that enabled me to keep communicating with him and open his mind to the JWs. Maybe that's where you should start. Actually what I did was go to my father and tell him that it was clear we were unable to talk calmly about the JWs, but that I knew him to be a reasonable man who had the ability to critically read a book and judge it on it's own merits. He agreed to read C of C on this basis, and he never felt the same about the religion after that. He still goes to placate the rest of the family, but he knows it's a con - and he's 80! :-)))

Hang in there!

Marilyn

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Watching my parents age and die.....

by LDH in

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i just posted this on teejay's thread, but in case some didn't read that thread i will repost it here, the enhanced version, because i believe it deserves its own thread.. recently, my parents visited with me.

(the great apostate, can you believe it?).

technically, they were here to visit my kids and husband, as i am df'd [8>].

Mazza

Lisa, I'm not in full agreement with what some of the others have said. I just got snapped at for talking to my 24 yo daughter while she was watching Harry Potter on DVD, which she has seen before.

I left the troof 22 yrs ago and I think my husband and I are very with-it parents. We are financially generous and emotionally supportive. We say fuck sometimes and we don't judge girls for getting pregnant. We judge people for being assholes - a much more devistating moral condition!

What I'm trying to say is that even with a level playing field, families fail to get along harmoneously. I came to the computer to escape being around my daughter. Clearly I irritate the shit out of her. I don't know why. Maybe some people's chemistries don't match. The comment about the swimsuit? I took that another way, but you chose to be annoyed about it. I thought your mother was trying not to say anything about it being a birthday present, so she said the next thing that came into her WT filled head. I know it's sad that your mom's head is so full of garbage - but maybe it's possible she really doesn't want this endless unpleasantness with you.

I've got a feeling that your parents are feeling just as sick about the time spent with you as you are. I know the whore comment was tuff - it's just so sad that your mom hasn't worked it out that there are much worse things in life than sex out of wedlock.

Look, I've put up with 20+ years of shunning from my family - which means I've been subjected to irrational behavior for 20+ years. I still feel that YOU need to find peace with your parents. YOU are not a slave to mind control and a bunch of lies and manipulations. YOU are better than them and you should try to swallow your pride and try to employ the fruitages of the spirit (hey I'm an athiest - but I really love that scripture). That is how I've handled my JW parents and actually I've pretty much won them over now. Not that we didn't have some ruff patches. And my folks were probably not quite as deeply hypnotised as yours are. But I have showed more patience to my parents than I have ever showed any project in my entire life - and it's paid off.

Only you can decide whether the effort involved is worth it. Certainly no-one would blame you for giving up - but I wanted you to hear my story.

warm thoughts
Marilyn

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How sweet.. a loving plea from my brother

by noidea in

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i am writing to express my concern for your welfare, both physically and even more importantly, spiritually.. i know that you have long resented me and any help in a spiritual way that i have tried to help.

the resentment goes way back and to tell you the truth, i don't know why you have felt this way.

anyway, i know that you don't want the help from the 'brothers', so i feel that i need to try at least one more time to help you reason on which direction you are going.

Mazza

noidia, lately I've been thinking that we don't do enough to help our jw family members. I really respect what your bother has done in writing to you. If I were you I would read what he has to say and then ask him if he will permit you equal time to tell him why you believe he is totally wasting his in a highly manipulative sect? Tell him you are distressed to the depths of your soul that he is misled and he chooses not to see it. Tell him how much you appreciate his caring enough to write, and that it is very much recipicated and you want desperately to give him back his freedom - his life.

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JUDICIAL COMMITTEE -- ANDERSON

by silentlambs in

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the wheels of the watchtower termination squad grind on.

at 4:45 p.m. today barbara anderson was contacted by the chairman of her previous judicial committee from last week.

barb was asked to meet with a new judicial hearing to face new charges which are adjusted as follows:.

Mazza

This just shows that Jehovah's Organisation is just the same as every other organisation or institution. Whistle blowers always get shafted.

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JUDICIAL COMMITTEE -- ANDERSON

by silentlambs in

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the wheels of the watchtower termination squad grind on.

at 4:45 p.m. today barbara anderson was contacted by the chairman of her previous judicial committee from last week.

barb was asked to meet with a new judicial hearing to face new charges which are adjusted as follows:.

Mazza

I feel more should be made of the fact that the church only has jurisdiction over sins. A recent BBC program on paedophiles pointed this out. A clear demarkation should be drawn between what the church says and what the law says.

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JUDICIAL COMMITTEE -- ANDERSON

by silentlambs in

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the wheels of the watchtower termination squad grind on.

at 4:45 p.m. today barbara anderson was contacted by the chairman of her previous judicial committee from last week.

barb was asked to meet with a new judicial hearing to face new charges which are adjusted as follows:.

Mazza

: 1. Disrupting the unity of the congregation.
: 2. Undermining confidence in Jehovah’s arrangement.

Fornication is a SIN. Child moslesation is a CRIME. Failure to report child molestation is a CRIME. Can't Barbara argue that the Organisation is telling her to break the law?

Normally JW disfellowshippings are beyond the law. I feel the Witnesses are sailing dangerously close to the wind in disfellowshipping (defaming) members for attempting to uphold the law.

Charge 2. The elders should be made prove that WT policy in handling child molesters is Jehovah's Arrangment.

I sure hope Barbara gives them a run for their money!!!! Barbara, your trials are felt by all of us here (especially those of us who have been thru this bias, unreasonable, irrational and cruel process).

Marilyn