i remember when i was a kid in "the truth.
there was an elderly sister that had a heart attack during the meeting.
she made loud gasping sounds as she was holding on for dear life.
JWfacts: That is so horrible! I wonder why they feel that the meeting must go on... I'm sure that if something like that happened at a church, the pastor or minister would not have been replaced. They would just have a prayer in the person's behalf and cut the service short.
The meetings are so impersonal.
i remember when i was a kid in "the truth.
there was an elderly sister that had a heart attack during the meeting.
she made loud gasping sounds as she was holding on for dear life.
I remember when I was a kid in "the truth."
There was an elderly sister that had a heart attack during the meeting. She made loud gasping sounds as she was holding on for dear life. She was sitting in the third row from the front. But the brother conducting the meeting just when on as if nothing was happening. I could tell that he was shaken by what was happening as were others in the meeting. But no one said anything as the sister was gasping for life. I remember feeling very scared.
Eventually, after it seemed like 3 or 4 minutes, he paused in his talk and asked an attendant to check on the sister. Then he continued on with the meeting. The ambulance came to pick her up and took her to the hospital. She died that night.
I remember some sisters saying,"At least she died in the kingdom hall while trying to serve Jehovah." As if that gave her a free trip to paradise or heaven or whatever she was supposed to go after death.
But the thing that still sticks out to me in my mind is how the meeting just kept going on with just a brief pause to remove the distraction.
It just mind boggling to me that the meeting did not end early or a prayer was not said in her behalf to provide comfort for her.
Has anyone ever experience anything like this?
my mom and i got into a debate about the trinity doctrine.
she claims that the holy spirit cannot be a person which invalidates the trinity doctrine.
she says in genesis that the holy spirit was depicted as "roving about the earth" as an "active force".
My mom and I got into a debate about the trinity doctrine.
She claims that the holy spirit cannot be a person which invalidates the trinity doctrine. She says in Genesis that the holy spirit was depicted as "roving about the earth" as an "active force". Since the holy spirit is an active force in her opinion it cannot be a person. Also, because the trinity includes three persons and not two persons and a spirit. She also quoted some scriptures that support that Jesus is lesser than Jehovah.
Does anyone have a comment about this? Is her explanation correct?
you buy a plush rabbit for your collection and you see that the name of it is " flip flop" and you think of the wt society rather than a summer sandal.. .
add your own....
When your sole reason for going to a circuit assembly or a district convention is to spy and take notes to be posted on JWD to be analyzed for faulty reasoning and hypocrisies.
i have been married for 10 years and have two wonderful step kids, 15 and 21. being a jw i did not want a child as life seemed so pointless.
things changed for the better since leaving and i am now the proud father of a big baby boy zac - 9pounds (4.1kg), 52cm long and huge lungs.
my wife is filipino so the baby looks very asian at the moment.
Congratulations! The baby is beautiful!
the feb 1, 2008 wt has an article on p. 28 called finding fulfillment as a mother.
the article basically states that moms should not work outside of the home but stay at home with their kids to teach them things about jehovah.
it also states that moms that want to work outside the home full-time do so not out of economic necessity but to boost their self worth, to obtain financial independence or to pay for luxuries.
Since I don't have a scanner I looked for another option for getting the information from this article. You can listen to the audio version of the article by downloading the MP3 file at www.jw.org . If you have RealPlayer it works great! The link to the page that contains the article is http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=QBJrYBNQF
I hope this helps.
the feb 1, 2008 wt has an article on p. 28 called finding fulfillment as a mother.
the article basically states that moms should not work outside of the home but stay at home with their kids to teach them things about jehovah.
it also states that moms that want to work outside the home full-time do so not out of economic necessity but to boost their self worth, to obtain financial independence or to pay for luxuries.
I really would like to post this article but unfortunately, I don't have a scanner at home. If anyone could help me with this I would appreciate it.
The article is in the Feb 1, 2008 WT on page 28. Even if the scan does not get on JWD it is a great article to read to see how women are depicted in the WT organization.
Like I mentioned in my earlier post, I'm not a feminist per se but I think it is important for women to be taken seriously for whatever choice they make take in their household. So if a mother chooses to work to support their family it should be taken seriously and not dismissed as a mundane pursuit.
But if someone could help me with the scan I would appreciate it.
the feb 1, 2008 wt has an article on p. 28 called finding fulfillment as a mother.
the article basically states that moms should not work outside of the home but stay at home with their kids to teach them things about jehovah.
it also states that moms that want to work outside the home full-time do so not out of economic necessity but to boost their self worth, to obtain financial independence or to pay for luxuries.
The Feb 1, 2008 WT has an article on p. 28 called Finding Fulfillment as a Mother. The article basically states that moms should not work outside of the home but stay at home with their kids to teach them things about Jehovah.
It also states that moms that want to work outside the home full-time do so not out of economic necessity but to boost their self worth, to obtain financial independence or to pay for luxuries. I am curious what they consider luxuries, maybe toys or vacations with the kids?
But the ultimate slap in the face is the part where they claim that many secular jobs that women obtain are not as good as the ones men occupy. It says that the jobs many women obtain are monotonous and relatively low paying in comparison to the adventurous jobs of men.
I don't claim to be a feminist but this article makes so many false assumptions surrounding the reasons a mother may chose to work outside the home it is ridiculous.
This a classic example of how the WT puts down women. Also maybe if they allowed their followers to go to college and get an education, then their women could have more high-paying jobs. This article really fired me up!
let me just start off by saying wow.
never thought the day would come i'd see myself write that kind of title.
so, you may or may not remember me from my post a few weeks ago about my ex-jw g/f from europe wanting to see what a meeting was like in the states.
Hi Flyaway2,
Your observations are very accurate. There are a lot of intelligent individuals in the WT organization. I was raised as a Jehovah Witness and it was one of the things that kept me in for so long. I used to think, "well it has to be the truth because 'so and so' has a doctorate and he thinks it's the truth." No matter how much I doubted the faith, the integrity of the "intelligent ones" in the congregation made me re-evaluate my feelings.
However, be careful you don't get sucked in. You mentioned that you wouldn't mind attending another meeting. I can tell you from plenty of experience that you got off easy this time! Or this particular congregation may not be known for having a "loving spirit" so they may move a little slower than some. I would say that no one at this time, love-bombed you or tried to offer you a bible study.
But, your "free ride" will not last forever. Eventually, someone will try to pressure you into making some kind of decision either it be a bible study or some kind of magazine route. Be careful...
do you remember all the munipulation and antics witnesses use to get out of actually going to the door and talking to people about the bible?.
i only bring this up because in another thread i posted someone made the assertion that if witnesses voted as a group they would change the election.
it like saying the witnesses go to every door in the world with the good news and their the only group doing the work!.
I think the best way I have seen brothers get out of field service was driving around in their cars to "check on the others."
This one brother would strategically place publishers in two different territories and would drive around for a whole 1 hour "checking on everyone." Never saw he get out of the car.
Eventually, he would just disappear and everyone would have to stop field service because they had no direction.
