Posts by FusionTheism

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Talkin' bout my generation

by FusionTheism in

instead of this latest video by governing body member david splane, attempting to explain the current view of what jesus meant about "this generation" in matthew 24:34, the governing body should, if they were truly wanting to put "truth" first, have simply said "this is one idea we have, but it may be wrong, and in all honesty, we aren't sure what jesus meant here.".

then, they could have gone on to give the different valid options for interpreting this passage.. instead they doubled-down on a confusing doctrine that can't really be supported by scripture.. there was no overlapping generation of 100+ years in the original 1st century fulfillment of jesus' words, so why would there be a 175-year overlapping generation in the antitypical modern fulfillment?.

while we are on the topic, why are they even still saying that matthew 24:34 has a typical and antitypical fulfillment, since they said we shouldn't interpret things now as types and antitypes unless the bible explicitly says so?.

FusionTheism

Instead of this latest video by Governing Body member David Splane, attempting to explain the current view of what Jesus meant about "this generation" in Matthew 24:34, the Governing Body should, if they were truly wanting to put "truth" first, have simply said "This is one idea we have, but it may be wrong, and in all honesty, we aren't sure what Jesus meant here."

Then, they could have gone on to give the different valid options for interpreting this passage.

Instead they doubled-down on a confusing doctrine that can't really be supported by Scripture.

There was no overlapping generation of 100+ years in the original 1st Century Fulfillment of Jesus' words, so why would there be a 175-year overlapping generation in the antitypical modern fulfillment?

While we are on the topic, why are they even still saying that Matthew 24:34 has a typical and antitypical fulfillment, since they said we shouldn't interpret things now as types and antitypes unless the Bible explicitly says so?

No doubt, David Splane probably sincerely believes in this doctrine, but... Seriously?

There are so many better alternative theories they could go with:

* The Generation began with the appearance of the Disgusting Thing (United Nations)

* The Generation began with the appearance of the Great Crowd in 1935

* The Generation began with the appointment of a Governing Body instead of the President (1970's)

* The Generation just means a class of people... In this case, Jesus' anointed disciples as a class (The 2008 definition)

* The Generation begins with the rapture of the anointed and the cry of peace and security.

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Babylon the Great was the Sadducees & Pharisees

by FusionTheism in

if you closely look at revelation, it may click in your head (like it just did in mine) that "mystery babylon the great, the great harlot" sounds an awful lot like the sadducees and pharisees who killed jesus and persecuted the apostles, and tried to suck up to rome.. .

paul spoke about a *jerusalem below* and a *jerusalem above,* in galatians.

jerusalem below are the freshly and evil jews and jerusalem above is the church made up of christian jews and gentiles, the seed of abraham in christ.. revelation also picks up on this theme by declaring there is a *new jerusalem,* while also declaring that the jerusalem below, which killed jesus, is called *sodom* and *egypt* in a symbolic way.

FusionTheism

Nibbled,

Thanks for your comment.

I would just like to point out that Jesus did actually say that to the Pharisees too:

Matthew 23:33-38 “Serpents, offspring of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of Ge·henʹna?

For this reason, I am sending to you prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them you will kill and execute on stakes, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·riʹah son of Bar·a·chiʹah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her —how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you.

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Babylon the Great was the Sadducees & Pharisees

by FusionTheism in

if you closely look at revelation, it may click in your head (like it just did in mine) that "mystery babylon the great, the great harlot" sounds an awful lot like the sadducees and pharisees who killed jesus and persecuted the apostles, and tried to suck up to rome.. .

paul spoke about a *jerusalem below* and a *jerusalem above,* in galatians.

jerusalem below are the freshly and evil jews and jerusalem above is the church made up of christian jews and gentiles, the seed of abraham in christ.. revelation also picks up on this theme by declaring there is a *new jerusalem,* while also declaring that the jerusalem below, which killed jesus, is called *sodom* and *egypt* in a symbolic way.

FusionTheism

Caleb,

Why do you ask that?

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Babylon the Great was the Sadducees & Pharisees

by FusionTheism in

if you closely look at revelation, it may click in your head (like it just did in mine) that "mystery babylon the great, the great harlot" sounds an awful lot like the sadducees and pharisees who killed jesus and persecuted the apostles, and tried to suck up to rome.. .

paul spoke about a *jerusalem below* and a *jerusalem above,* in galatians.

jerusalem below are the freshly and evil jews and jerusalem above is the church made up of christian jews and gentiles, the seed of abraham in christ.. revelation also picks up on this theme by declaring there is a *new jerusalem,* while also declaring that the jerusalem below, which killed jesus, is called *sodom* and *egypt* in a symbolic way.

FusionTheism

If you closely look at Revelation, it may click in your head (like it just did in mine) that "Mystery Babylon the Great, the Great Harlot" sounds an awful lot like the Sadducees and Pharisees who killed Jesus and persecuted the Apostles, and tried to suck up to Rome.

Paul spoke about a *Jerusalem Below* and a *Jerusalem Above,* in Galatians. Jerusalem Below are the freshly and evil Jews and Jerusalem Above is the Church made up of Christian Jews and Gentiles, the Seed of Abraham in Christ.

Revelation also picks up on this theme by declaring there is a *New Jerusalem,* while also declaring that the Jerusalem Below, which killed Jesus, is called *Sodom* and *Egypt* in a symbolic way. (**Revelation 11:8**)

Also, Revelation repeatedly describes *Babylon* as being an unfaithful adulteress and Harlot. Usually in the New Testament, these phrases are figuratively used to refer to God's people who have become worldly and unfaithful. This would fit in with the Jerusalem Below Paul spoke of in Galatians.

Finally, what Revelation says about *Babylon* being responsible for all the blood of the prophets and apostles matches what Jesus told the Pharisees in **Matthew 23:31-38.**

What are your thoughts on this?

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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience

by TheWonderofYou in

referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.

the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .

tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.

FusionTheism

And one other point I'd add:

David Splane, in the New 1900 Years Video, makes the comment that we don't know if anyone was anointed or not during those 1900 years.

So David Splane is saying it's possible there was no wheat at all for 1900 years.

How would that fit with the prophecy?

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Was The Apostle Paul Out Of His Mind? Or Just An Eccentric Megalomaniac?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i have some quotes from the new world bible from 2 cor 11&12 read them and give us your prognosis, he definitely thought very highly of himself, his vision that he received from the unconscious and inflated his ego for sure.

i'm sure this guy is over the top in his exaggerations about what he did and didn't do probably lots of denial about some of his own fraud being projected onto his boogie man rivals he sarcastically calls superfine apostles.. for i consider that i have not proved inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing.+ 6 but even if i am unskilled in speech,+ i certainly am not in knowledge; indeed we made it clear to you in every way and in everything.....12 but what i am doing i will continue to do,+ in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis* for being found equal to us in the things* about which they boast.

13 for such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of christ.+ 14 and no wonder, for satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.+ 15 it is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness.

FusionTheism

Does this sound like a madman?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one" (Galatians 3:28)

"Do not owe anything to anyone except to love one another; for whoever loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. For the law code... is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore, love is the law’s fulfillment." (Romans 13:8-10)

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal. And if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I do not benefit at all." (1 Corinthians 13:1-3)

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Was The Apostle Paul Out Of His Mind? Or Just An Eccentric Megalomaniac?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i have some quotes from the new world bible from 2 cor 11&12 read them and give us your prognosis, he definitely thought very highly of himself, his vision that he received from the unconscious and inflated his ego for sure.

i'm sure this guy is over the top in his exaggerations about what he did and didn't do probably lots of denial about some of his own fraud being projected onto his boogie man rivals he sarcastically calls superfine apostles.. for i consider that i have not proved inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing.+ 6 but even if i am unskilled in speech,+ i certainly am not in knowledge; indeed we made it clear to you in every way and in everything.....12 but what i am doing i will continue to do,+ in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis* for being found equal to us in the things* about which they boast.

13 for such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of christ.+ 14 and no wonder, for satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light.+ 15 it is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness.

FusionTheism

It's sad to see people on this website doubt the existence of Paul, something which even the most skeptical scholars and historians on earth do not do.

What makes you a better historian than they are?

Why should I trust your judgment over that of professional historians and scholars?

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The Bible is NOT Error-Free

by FusionTheism in

for many christians, the bible is viewed as the 100% error-free, perfect book straight from god, where every single word was carefully chosen by god for a reason.

but, usually, when you have a discussion on the topic, these christians will end up saying that only the original copies written directly from the hands of the prophets and apostles were error-free, and all manuscript copies since then are subject to copyist mistakes and other errors.. since zero original copies are in existence, how do we know the originals were error-free?

why should we think the originals should be error-free to begin with?

FusionTheism

Snare&Racket,

I'm not 100% sure, but perhaps Galatians 3:28, which says all males and females are equal, all races are equal, and all social/financial statuses are equal.

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Reasoning on the New "1900 Years" JW Theology (from David Splane)

by FusionTheism in

inspired by the three recent threads on david splane's new video declaring, among other things, that there was no faithful slave for 1900 years, and there may not have even been any genuine anointed ones during those years, i decided to make this post.. here are the three previous threads on this topic:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/337200001/david-splane-address-bethelites.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/323160001/new-david-splane-video-no-1900-year-faithful-slave.

FusionTheism

TheWonderOfYou,

Yeah, it's very interesting how they've gone from what they used to say: That Russell and Rutherford were **restoring** The Faithful Slave that existed in the Apostles' time, to what they're saying now: That the Faithful Slave is something new that never existed before 1919.

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The Bible is NOT Error-Free

by FusionTheism in

for many christians, the bible is viewed as the 100% error-free, perfect book straight from god, where every single word was carefully chosen by god for a reason.

but, usually, when you have a discussion on the topic, these christians will end up saying that only the original copies written directly from the hands of the prophets and apostles were error-free, and all manuscript copies since then are subject to copyist mistakes and other errors.. since zero original copies are in existence, how do we know the originals were error-free?

why should we think the originals should be error-free to begin with?

FusionTheism

OneGen,

If the rules of logic aren't man-made, then what invented logic?