Cassi...you never cease to amaze me.
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1914, I have Taken Peace away from you people.
by Cassiline inmany of you were looking forward to the date 1914 because you were very eager for the 'return' of the lord.
but when your lord 'delayed'... 1874, 1914, 1918, etc.
then you like the sons of israel approached and said: .
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The "fake" chimp is not fake
by Carlo inin some works by janh and allanf has proposed that the skulle of the chimp in watctowers evolution/creationbook is fake.. so this is a skull of a chimp i found .
it is not so different from the skull you proposed as fake.
is the difference to talk about?.
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dungbeetle
DADDY!!!
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A Legal Problem With DF'ing?
by metatron inwhen some one is df'd, they are held to be df'd.
in every congregation in the world.
a record is sent.
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dungbeetle
Right on Metatron
hmmm...dare I bring that up at my upcoming reinstatement hearing?
Har Har...
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Looking for definitive answers . . .HELP
by patio34 inone comment i hear from my jw son a lot is that "the organization (capital o!
) is made up of imperfect men, so they make mistakes.
" what are some answers to that?
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dungbeetle
Something I've always wondered along the lines of this topic...
In yearbook after yearbook, going back decade after decade, Jehovah's Witnesses discuss their experiences in the field service, and also in daily life in areas where there is famine, war, or other stife. They have made statments to the effectt that they believe angels and holy spirit are directing the preaching work in general, and individulas in the field in particular. Even in a recent Watchtower, angels are stated to be involved in the preaching work. ("Those engaging in the spiritual harvest have angelic support--7/15/01 pg 17)
My question is this...if angels and holy spirit are involved with the imperfect and uninspired-by-holy-spirit rank and file JW in the 'field' why on earth are the angels and holy spirit so uninvolved in the Writing Department and the Governing Body Meetings such they THEY don't get into trouble all the time?
Am I the only one who wonders about this...I would really love to know.
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DOES WTS own Kingdom Halls?- Challenge
by Amazing inrecently, the bonham, texas issue was discussed and comments were made that when the jws lost the hall in 1986 that the society then took deed ownership of kingdom halls to prevent another case like bonham from happening.. i challenged this as not being universally true, because long after the bonham case, i kept congregation files and we never made any deed transfers to the society, nor change our non-profit association charter to make the society a beneficiary in trust.. what i did yesterday: i am frequently involved with courts, judges, and legal matters, property titles, etc.
i checked on a kingdom hall at random near my office.
i ran a deed search and the title came up as being owned by the local congregation of jehovah's witnesses, and no mention was made of the watch tower society or any subsidiary corporations.. further, the kingdom hall in my analysis was purchased not long ago, but long after the bonham case.
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dungbeetle
That Boe letter may have gone out in the spring of 2000, but to my knowledge it implements no change in any policy. That policy was implemented many many years ago because I believe it is the case with my KH in California, and I was df'd in the late 1980's.
I think there is a very good reason that nothing of this policy is reflected in the deed; the WT does not want anyone to know what they own, and I don't think they want the 'rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses' (how I hate that term) to know that they
1)give money to the WT
2)borrow that money back from the WT
3)build a KH with it
4)Pay off the loan plus substantial interest
5)Turn the KH over to the WT!!!As an example of a personal nature, my mother-in-law has something like a half million dollars stashed away. In her will she leaves my cousin 5,000. Well, he whined and cried and talked her into giving him his 5,000 early. In return, tho, she got from him a document stating he would not accept or come forward to claim his 5,000. So if you look at her will, he 'gets' upon her death that 5,000. But in reality, he doesn't. If he tries, he is legally stopped from getting it, and besides my husband said that if he tried it he would shoot him. Period. Bang.
So on hundreds, maybe thousands of legal documents it looks like JW own their own KH, and a diligent search by any curious JW would certainly make this out to be true...but in New York or Pennsylvania or wherever, there are also hundreds, maybe thousands of little pieces of paper that say.."ennnnhhh..owned by WT".
I really really want to start my own religion.....
I wonder if a search on KH recently SOLD would bring out any interesting info.
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Superficial People
by BugEye insuperficial people are a little like goldfish.. they have a 3 second memory.. once they have eaten their fill, they go looking for more.. they are generally a little stupid.. they have a 3 second memory.
life consists of looking around for the same thing all the time.. they are unaware of anything outside of their tank.. the world really does revolve around them.. they have a 3 second memory.. if you try to hold them, you will find them to be slippery little suckers.. you can have some fun with them for a while, watching them is fascinating.. they take work and effort to keep.. they often look attractive, but dont have anything inside.. they have a 3 second memory.. .
bugeye
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dungbeetle
They have scales so they don't GET hurt easily;
They have teeth so they CAUSE hurt easily;
And they have a 3 second memory...
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need some info
by lrtltr inhi i have just started researching the jehovahs witnesses for my own personal reasons.
i know that there is a discussion board for practicing jehovahs witness, if anyone could give me the adress for that i would really appreciate it.
also any other web pages good or bad about the witnesses that you could give me would be good.
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dungbeetle
and here are some sites that present some other views
* http://www.eskimo.com/~jcw/jcw97.html
* http://caic.org.au/jws/misleadi.htm
* http://thebereans.frontpew.com/p_jw.htm
* http://watchtower.observer.org/
These will keep you busy for awhile
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need some info
by lrtltr inhi i have just started researching the jehovahs witnesses for my own personal reasons.
i know that there is a discussion board for practicing jehovahs witness, if anyone could give me the adress for that i would really appreciate it.
also any other web pages good or bad about the witnesses that you could give me would be good.
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dungbeetle
* http://www.witnessesonline.com/
These are the pro-witness sites you said in chat earlier tonight that you wanted. They present one view of this group.
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Can I share a great experience with you all?
by jonjonsimons injust wanted to pass along a recent experience that has helped open my eyes about many things.
i wasn't going to share this with the db but with all of the crap going on around here lately i thought it might be nice to post something that i found to be uplifting.
a few of you that i exchange emails with already know that my leukemia came out of remission recently.
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dungbeetle
here's to you JonJon for snatching another victory out of the jaws of the WT. I wish you the best, you and your sister.
All my prayers,
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Armegeddon Pictures
by silentlambs inanyone know where i might find some good pictures of armegeddon in wt publications on the net?
any help would be appreciated.
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dungbeetle
Well, if you can't find any I will be happy to email you some. Or perhaps I can put some on the net. Holler if you need them.
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