i returned last sunday from las vegas, where i had been attending a convention for one of my suppliers.
it was a network marketing convention, so the people there were from all over the world.
one day i was walking back (about a mile) from the convention area at the hotel, to the elevators, when i heard a group say "well, we are all witnesses.
Yes, there is bus service every 15 minutes/half hour, all around the clock. 301 and 302, one of them is an express bus and only stops every few miles (it's great for long distances).
Rekless lives there, among many others, shoot him an email before you go. The Las Vegas ex-jw crowd is fabulous.
<I'm not sure falseness is a word...falsehood may be better Sorry...i grew up with an editor for a mother!>
falsness n, the state or quality of being false.
sorry--I grew up knowing how to use a dictionary!
muslim rebels in the southern philippines have beheaded two christian hostages, part of a group of jehovah's witnesses seized on tuesday.
the two severed heads were found by the philippines military on the remote southern island of jolo.
the army chief on jolo, brigadier general romeo tolentino, said that a note was attached to one of the heads, saying: "those who do not believe in allah will suffer the same fate.
NO....
<you said the people deserved it for going into a dangerous area where these men were. Do I need to quote your post?
Can't you people READ....outlaw wasn't accused of 'intimating' he was accused of SAYING..OKAY?
well, he didn't say it and he SAID that's not what he meant, soyou are wrong every which way around.
and you're right...libel is written and slander is spoken. So Outlaw has been libeled.
In the Watchtower world, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault.
muslim rebels in the southern philippines have beheaded two christian hostages, part of a group of jehovah's witnesses seized on tuesday.
the two severed heads were found by the philippines military on the remote southern island of jolo.
the army chief on jolo, brigadier general romeo tolentino, said that a note was attached to one of the heads, saying: "those who do not believe in allah will suffer the same fate.
let's do this the right way, amac:
<These dubs went into an area under the guise of avon salesmen,so they could threaten the lives of anyone who dosen`t join their religion,and they got their heads chopped off..I don`t feel sorry for them at all..They went to preach death and destruction,and thats what they got....You reap what you sow...OUTLAW
<Hey Salud,your right,I am happy it wasn`t one of my relatives.Under other circumstances it could just as well have been them..I would also feel real bad if one of them robbed a bank and was shot to death..The point is they put themselves in that predicament for what ever reason,and had to pay a very high price.They have no one to blame but themselves...OUTLAW
<Hey Salud,like spider,you seem like a nice person..I guess we will have to agree to disagree.....OUTLAW
problem.It`s good to have different points of veiw,and friends we can disscuss them with..Had I gone into a country where I knew JW`s were not allowed to preach,lied about my intentions about being there,was caught and beheaded.It wouldn`t be anybodys fault but my own,it go`s with the territory.You can find other people to blame,but the fact is,you knew what would happen if you broke the law and got caught.Now you gotta pay..Chop-chop...OUTLAW>
So, no nowhwere did Outlaw say they DESERVED beheading or death.....you are slandering OUTLAW and doing a really bad job of it too. If you have to LIE to make your point YOU are the one with the PROBLEM.
Edited by - dungbeetle on 23 August 2002 14:40:4
muslim rebels in the southern philippines have beheaded two christian hostages, part of a group of jehovah's witnesses seized on tuesday.
the two severed heads were found by the philippines military on the remote southern island of jolo.
the army chief on jolo, brigadier general romeo tolentino, said that a note was attached to one of the heads, saying: "those who do not believe in allah will suffer the same fate.
hey, bigMACattack, it never takes you very long to stoop to name-calling and verbal abuse does it. These people are abuse survivors, and they have a right to post their personal feelings on this board without being subjected to YOUR version of keyboard diarhea.
Your feelings about the Watchtower are accepted here, you can at least do the same for the others.The only person with reading comprehension around here is YOU. YOU express religious intolerance to the nth degree. YOU claim to be not a Watchtowerite anymore, I would NEVER be able to tell from degregation you dish out to ANYONE who expresses their feelings on this board.
Simon keeps telling ME to dispense with the personal attacks; because you seem such a lame-brain is the only reason I don't complain about you. Name-calling is not 'discussion' and personal attacks aren't 'disseminating useful information'.
You want to whine that I'm 'stalking' you go right ahead. It irritates the crap out of me that Simon lets you get away with this crap, and towards that end I try to stay out of your way and not cause a problem.
If you are not an abuse survivor, then you can't understand the pain these people feel and that is behind their expressions of anger. If that be the case...then F**K OFF and talk about things you know about (which isn't much it seems) or ask questions.
I'LL BE BACK
muslim rebels in the southern philippines have beheaded two christian hostages, part of a group of jehovah's witnesses seized on tuesday.
the two severed heads were found by the philippines military on the remote southern island of jolo.
the army chief on jolo, brigadier general romeo tolentino, said that a note was attached to one of the heads, saying: "those who do not believe in allah will suffer the same fate.
I'm really sorry to hear this. I wish all the hostages to go home safe and sound.
yes i know you're all getting p*d off with my jwzone threads, but i couldn't let this one go by!!!!!!
so, i'm just going to embed the thread here and let you guys comment...hehe...some jwzoners are going to get their heads bitten off in this thread!
edited by - syn on 8 august 2002 13:43:36.
((((((((((((( Nanoprobe )))))))))))))
If your email was open, I would have thanked you by now for all of your imput on the board.
But I want to say this:
Go to the 'members' and bring up silentlambs' post. Take a look at the average reads he gets. What is it, 200? 300? 500? That's the way it IS here on a 'real world' discussion board.
Take a lok at this thread, and three of his other threads where flamewars were going on. How many reads do you see THERE? THOUSANDS!!!!
This thread, for WHATEVER reason, has been on page one for going on four days now, nothing short of a MIRACLE on a board like this where good threads can sink to page 4 in thirty minutes.
If you have friends that might be offended by this board, DO NOT BRING THEM HERE!!! Or, in the alternative, bring then here for the sole purpose of showing what happenes to people when we have been in a cult; the baggage that we have to carry and the pain we ALL have to work through.
I am sure Bill Bowen is the least offended by anyone by people fighting all over his threads. We can do the same.
Hugs to everyone who has posted on this thread---it's for a good cause.
SILENTLAMBS---SILENT NO MORE!!!!
dungbeetle--of the 'there goes the retirement from the board down the toilet again' klass...
yes i know you're all getting p*d off with my jwzone threads, but i couldn't let this one go by!!!!!!
so, i'm just going to embed the thread here and let you guys comment...hehe...some jwzoners are going to get their heads bitten off in this thread!
edited by - syn on 8 august 2002 13:43:36.
since amac won't come out and play with me, I will speak to the topic as well:
This is why Watchtower tells JW's NOT to go on the internet. THEY found out a long time ago, such as during 9/11/01, that NOBODY makes Watchtower look as bad as their own people do.
For more proof, I name Mr. Manuel Belize, Mr. Clement Pandello, Mr. Paul Berry. Just to begin.
One more barb at amac:
that's why I call you names especially an idiot and moron. You are totally wasting your time and effort over here when, as Cool Breeze said something like 8 pages ago and 3500 views ago and 140 something replies ago...
those JW threads do more damage than ANYTHING we do here, and you would be better off crawling over there and doing damage control over THERE.
yes i know you're all getting p*d off with my jwzone threads, but i couldn't let this one go by!!!!!!
so, i'm just going to embed the thread here and let you guys comment...hehe...some jwzoners are going to get their heads bitten off in this thread!
edited by - syn on 8 august 2002 13:43:36.
hey amacbumbac
of course you think this thread is hilariously funny, a person like yourself who contributes little or nothing to this board unless its to belittle the efforts of others who want to use what their Higher Power (as they may view it) gave them to make the world a better place...
while you sit on your backside whining about how bad the world is.
Were you born such a useless piece of crap or were you dropped on your head too many times as a baby?
the whole time youwere allegedly a JW, the world refused to die. The ten alleged years you've NOT been a JW, the world refused to die.
For the next one thousand years long after you and I have hilariously funnily passed of the scen of things, the world will still be refusing to die.
So live with it.
as*hole
bankruptcy filing called option for archdiocese
advisers cite worst-case plan .
by stephen kurkjian and michael rezendes, globe staff, 8/2/2002
They may not go 'bankrupt' in the sense that we usually think of...more money going out than coming in, or mismanagement or bad luck in the business/physical world.
What appears to be happening is that Watchtower is an ever-increasing number of ways to keep more and more money away from successful plaintiffs and various governments. (I'm doing this from memory here, I have to check facts later when I have time and access to the right hard drive.)
In France, it would appear Watchtower has divested itself of property and transfered assets AND production to other countires.
In the United States, Watchtower either outright owns or has a title/claim on the Assembly Halls and Kingdom Halls, and has since the Bonham Texas incident.
I personally know of one case where a mortgage-free Kingdom Hall was sold for about a million dollars and a new one built for about a half a million dollars in a cheaper part of town with slave---I mean donated- materials and labor. Where did the other half million go? This has been happening ALL OVER THE United States for at least ten years, which is when suits began to be filed against Watchtower over the shunning/expulsion issue, starting I believe with the State of Washington.
In another case I was told about, taking place near me, a Kingdom Hall was sold and the publishers distributed throughout nearby territories. The KH was sold for a half million dollars, and the new one, whenever it will be built, will be about a half million dollars. BUT in the meantime, all that cash is sitting around the Watchtower bank accounts earning money. One percent of a couple of million dollars is nothing to sneeze at even today.
Also at a DIFFERENT KH near me, the Hall was mortgage-free. Watchtower demanded that the congregations (who already have paid for the KH plus interest through a loan that was their money to begin with, which means they have paid for the KH THREE times AND still do not own it) mortgage themselves to pay for really stupid things like equipment and expansions that are totally unnecessary. This means that the publishers get to pay for the KH a FOUTH TIME (and still will not own it). I remember sitting in the KH audience when these motions were being passed and thinking to myself "are these people (publishers) stupid or just masochistic?" That was earlier this year. I have very little insight into the financial world, yet even I know FRAUD and financial abuse when I see it. Many of the publishers in these congregations are either poor single-parent families or are elderly or near-elderly. <sigh>
At the same KH as above, Watchtower forced the congregations to depostit/transfer insane amounts of money (thousands) for literature that MIGHT be ordered in the future. Thousands!!!! I know that we have to PAY for the Kingdom Ministries EVERY MONTH in addition to that deposit. That money came from another loan, there has NEVER been thousands of dollars in the congregation bank accounts. And more money is going out than is coming in. I strongly suspect our elders, in a conspiracy with Watchtower, are willfully raiding the assets of our congregation in case they are sued.
Watchtower admitted at the convention last year, and perhaps in the literature--I don't know-- that money is going OUT of the United States to other countries for alleged Kingdom Halls..four poles a roof and dirt floors. Now we know MORE money is going out than is being spent on these 'buildings' for worship. We know too, in large part if not all, the relief goods for the Witnesses in African countries is paid for by the United Nations (or by Witnesses in Europe). We know the transportation costs are paid for by the United Nations. We know that the protection costs are paid for by the United Nations. For crying out loud, Watchtower officials THEMSELVEs were flying around in airplanes at the expense of the United Nations.
SO WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?
It is obvious upon its face that Watchtower is RAIDING and LOOTING all its own assets. WHEN the abuse survivors go to collect their judgments, I fear there will be nothing left for them to collect ON unless we can stop these asset transfers.
