Metatron, are you having a bad day darling?
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
deep, dark secrets.. horrible, ugly things that dwell in shadows.. things no one speaks about.
topics that are avoided.. in some groups, it might be a murder, or an act of incest.. but with the watchtower, of all the dark secrets hidden from view,.
there is one uglier and more horrible than any other by far.. it is this:.
Metatron, are you having a bad day darling?
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
fussing and fighting [lee perry] .
why's this bumping and a-boring?.
we should really love each other (love each other).
Imagine all the people...livin' for today....
I caaaannn.
You might saaa-aay I'm a dreamer--but I'm not the only one...
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
jc file notes - what do they contain?
jones.. 15. brother smith would tell bro.
smith noted too that bro.
So LDH...what color was he? Come on you can tell me...(LOL)
All kidding aside, your experience brought back memories of my JC after I was a rape victim. The questions:
what color was you 'partner'?
were you using birth contol?
did you want or enjoy the 'encounter'
did you scream? (NO)
how many people know about the encounter?
are you sorry the encounter occurred?
All these years later these questions are so stupid I cannot even think of a sarcastic answer. The end result of course, as in the case of so many others, was I didn't scream, wasn't sorry for not screaming, and therefore it was 'willful submission to a man's passionate advances' and I was unrepentant, so ...you guessed it..df'ing.
Thank God...the best thing that ever happened to me. I nevr would have met all of you on this board!!!
Agape
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
i feel so mad because of what i went through for the "truth" i just want to shout about it.
i'm not mad with the individuals, some of which are genuine, mostly good, and nearly all mislead.
i just view the whole organisation like a run away machine, gone crazy, dangerous.
It's part of the healing process..anger is one of the recovery phases. You are actually feeling something very normal. * http://www.freedomofmind.com/ maybe helpful to
you.
Feel better,
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
following the link given by kent,.
i have several observation to make:.
(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).
What a nite for surprises...this is one interesting thread. I don't suppose the UN has a website? Email?
I am in a kind of quandary..
1) thinking of any good the WTBS could possibly do for their people in thrid world countries...
2) thinking of all the men,women,and children who may die from refusal of medical care, refusal of altrnative service, anything else these people might die of depending on what the WTBS may order them to do THIS WEEK depending on which LIGHT they are following THIS WEEK.
This is a 'marriage' that might be worth protesting..it may save lives. What to do....
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
recently i had the opportunity to go to the museum of tolerance in los angeles.
one thing stuck in my mind, the purple triangles.
i have not been in a kh for over 3 years.
* http://www.holocaust-trc.org/Jehovah.htm
this doesn't totally answer your question, but there is a book written by a gentleman by the name of William J Schnell, called "thirty years a watchtower slave" it was the first 'apostate' book I ever read, and one of the first ever written. The book is very sad, but very enlightening.
In it, Schnell's family are Americans that move to Germany just before...you guessed it..Hitler's rise to power. If I can summarize...Jehovah's Witnesses during Rutherford's time began a hate campaign against the major religions. Rutherford has seen how much money people were willing to give to say the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church and I believe the Mormon Church as well. He determined that he wanted some of it for his organization.
So began the campaign. In fact Rutherford became known worldwide as a foe against organized religion, even having Bible Students marching around the U.S. and England with placards saying..'Religion is a snare and a racket'. and other such things. Coupled with the Bible Students unwavering determination not to do ALTERNATIVE SERVICE plus organized marching campaigns early Sunday mornings when people were normally asleep, American citizens who up untill then left Bible Students/Jehovah's Witnesses alone began slowly to become riled. The Bible Students of course claimed it was 'opposition from Satan against God's preaching work', but in reality it was the WAY they were carrying the message,the particularly obnoxious way it was worded, and also the fact that the Bible Students wanted to sell books at the doors, collect money, and not pay taxes on it, that was causing the problems. If they had worded their message differently, been kinder and more respectful to their intended audience, (as Jesus had done, as Russell had done) things may have turned out differently. But the Bible Students did things the way Rutherford told them to, to their great sorrow.
The negative publicity and the lawsuits garnered Rutherford everything he wanted, and he liked it so much, he instituted the same in Germany. There he had the Bible Students also march with placards, calling the religious organizations,leaders, and the people in them names, saying (since 1919) only Bible Students would be saved. The Bible Students even taught that Germany would win the War and then the end would come, bringing destruction to 'Babylon the great!!
Needless to say, this hardly endeared them to the members of those religions. As Hitler rose to power and began his campaign of terror against his enemies real or perceived, he turned his attention against these people who predicted his defeat. Somehow the major religions escaped the brunt of his wrath, but the Witnesses, homosexuals, gypsies, Jews and physically and mentally handicapped got the rest of his insane rage against the world backed by his military might. Interestingly enough, this scene was played out again and again across Germany: Hitler's goons would target a Witness family, arrest some or all of the members, vacate the premises, and seize the property.
If the Witnesses had not gone the Rutherford route, loud obnoxious, rude to people regarding their views toward Christendom and its members,that they were all going to die die die if they didn't become Witnesses because only Witnesses had the truth (and remember the 'end' already hadn't come in 1879, 1914, 1915, 1919, and 1925) perhaps they would not have found themselves all alone when Hitler came for them, as he was bound to do. That and the Witnesses refusal to do Altrnative service again. The other religions were happy to get these religious nuts with their unfulfilled doomsday prophecies out of their hair, and they were happy besides that Hitler had found someone to go after besides themselves. I am not trying to excuse the religious groups for their conduct...just present one viewpoint on events over there.
Again, if the Witnesses had gone the Russell route instead of the Rutherford route, how different things might have turned out for them. Certainly the enmity the Witnesses had created between themselves, and the churches and governments and citizens of their home countries, with their 'die die die' message, their 'only JW's will survive' message, and their history of unfulfilled prophecies did not work in their favor during the war. It still doesn't.
* http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/lautmann.html
another viewpoint on the Jehovah's Witnesses and Hitler. It isn't light bedtime reading, but I found it interesting, thoughtful and insightful.
Hope this helps, or at least gets you started.
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
i am so hurt by being disfellowshipped.
my mum still talks to me even though she is in but i have problems with living a normal life.
does anyone know what i am going through?
"Does anyone know what I am going through"
Only probably the majority of us here.
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
dear all,.
it is with much regret that i have decided to leave jw.com.
it is not a decision i have made lightly, in fact i had been thinking about it for many weeks now.. i am leaving because i cannot be a part of a forum that condones abuse and deliberate offensiveness towards other posters.
I will miss you dear Prisca. Hope to see you again soon.
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
i havn't been to the kigdumb hall in 3.5 years and have no intention of ever going back.
i have a collection of some of the rainbow books from da judge as well as da judges edited copies of 6 0f the 7 studies in the scripturs.
should i get rid of them?
It is starting to become well known that ex-jw's have more complete libararies than JW's do.
I myself cannot verify this, but enough rumors are circulating around, there must be some truth to it: JW's are out buying up old books for the express purpose of destroying them. Nothing converts Jw's faster than an in-person look at their 'heritage'. And well the GB knows this.
Your best bet in my humble opinion, is to either give your books to a trustworthy ex-jw; a cult-exit group; ot the local library. Books this old generally are kept in 'closed stacks', meaning they aren't checked out and so they should be reasonably secure there (tho offensive pages could be torn out) Placing the books for sale on ebay, or to a bookstore, means a greater risk of them falling into JW hands never to see the light of day again.
Or perhaps someone here could take them off of your hands!!!
As for me, when I had extra books, I donated them to Randy, who finds good homes for them.
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.
i thought this was a very good website for.
bible information/research.
quester.
Hey, that's a cool site...thanks Quester.
dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.