quick question.
i think i read somewhere that jw's believe that prayers said by anyone not babtized a jw are not heard by god?
is this true?
Hi all,
Quick question. I think I read somewhere that JW's believe that prayers said by anyone not babtized a JW are not heard by God? Is this true? I asked my husband if he ever leads the prayer when he has his "book study" with a JW and he said no. I told him I think it's because they believe this. He told me I was nuts.....maybe I am but I thought I read that somewhere. Could you enlighten me? Thanks!
the other day i went in for a routine physical and today i got the results in the mail.
it turns out my cholesterol is out of wack and needs to be corrected.
(normal) numbers in parenth are what my levels should be.. cholesterol = 249 ( < 200 ).
Make sure you follow up with your doctor. I had a heart attack at 35....I ate relatively healthy and was active. Yet my cholesterol at the time of the heart attack was 295! I was only 35, so I had never had my cholesterol checked, didnt think I needed to. I had to have angioplasty done and even after a major excercise schedule and eating everything healthy, nothing that tasted good at all, my cholesterol was still up there. I had to go on Lipitor, which I've never had problems with. I've been on it 3 years now, and will probably always have to take it. So it's not always just because of what you eat/dont eat, excercise/dont exercise. So now I tell everyone, get your cholesterol checked no matter your age!
snbdye2000
"revelation.
grand climax at hand" (((yeah right.
"worldwide security under the prince of peace"(((except it was really under satan.
I've been trying to get a Kingdom Interlinear. Anyone have one that they dont want anymore? For some reason the JW my husband studied with would never give him one of those, but gladly gave him everything else in print! Must have known I was more interested in it than my husband! haha
snbdye
to me, jehovah's witnesses are the watchtower society.
i don't think you can seperate the 2. they are both inseperably joined, infact the wt defines how jws believe.
many here say they don't "hate" jws individually, just the society, ie the wt.. where in your personal opinion is the distinction drawn??
Since I have zero experience with the WT, I have to put all my feelings towards individual JW's. I've never been a JW, so I have no experiences other than dealing with the 3 trying everything they can to bring my husband into this cult. I hate that they encourage him to keep secrets from me. I hate that they take every little thing that happens and guilt him into believing that it's a sign from Jehovah to keep studying with them. I hate that they tell him I'm being led by Satan. I hate that they are doing everything they can to destroy our family and marriage. I hate that they'll only meet with him on his lunch breaks and refuse to come to our home because they know I'll question them. I hate that they have come back with more books TWICE after he has told them he's going to just read the Bible with me with none of their books. I hate that they have other JW's he knows call him from time to time to keep the pressure up. I could go on and on. I have never thought of myself as one that could actually feel HATE towards other people. But, to say that I hate everything these people believe in, everything they stand for, everything they say and everything they do, but dont hate them, would be a joke in my eyes. Blaming it all on "they're taught to act this way, etc. by the wt." doesnt cut it for me. They have free will and have chosen to be apart of this organization and all, so yea, I hate these 3 men.
well, it looks like the jehovah's witnesses are going to start intruding in my marriage again.. a little background, when i first met my husband he was going to meetings sporadically.
he has studied off and on for years but was never baptized so he's always been in the "love bombing" stage with them.
he believes most of the doctrines (no christmas although he lets me celebrate it, the trinity is wrong, etc.
Chloe,
I understand the fear you have of a wedge being driven into your marriage. I am in a somewhat similar position, although my husband is not a jw. He has been reading their literature for quite sometime and has met with a jw at his work numerous times. He has not though gone to any meetings. I have never been a jw. I just wanted to tell you that if you would like to, feel free to send me a personal message and I would be happy to correspond with you. Having my husband involved in all of this has been extremely painful and there has been many times when I almost walked out the door for good. Things are going somewhat well for now, but I still feel like I'm on pins and needles all of the time. Maybe you and I can get through this all together. If it wasnt for all the good people on this board, I dont know what I would have done. You can never have enough friends, and I'm here for you.
snbdye
some of you may recognize my name and my story - my husband has been studying with a jw for about a year now, off and on.
currently he claims that he is not going to read their books anymore and just read the bible on his own (yea!).
my question is in regards to his reading habits.
I'm glad you mentioned Revelations. I had forgotten that it is the ONLY book in the NT he has read through! Seems to me that he only enjoys reading about Jehovah (OT) and end time prophesy (Rev.). This may very well just be something in him personally, I have no clue. I just thought it actually makes a little sense to have him consumed with "what Jehovah wants him to do", rather than read about Jesus. Also, reading only Revelations somewhat re-inforces the jw fascination with death/destruction/armageddon and all dont you think? Because truthfully, my husband seems to only want to talk about "Jehovah" and all the laws and such. If he were to read the NT, it very well may open his eyes to another way of thinking...that there are good christian people out in this world, that LOVE is number one....rather than the constant doom and gloom he is always spouting. Whenever he goes off on that stuff, I just shake my head and suggest he read the NT, that maybe he'll see something good in it and not all the "do what jehovah says or you will be destroyed!" crud. I have no idea. Like I said, I have no concept of the jw mindset and maybe I'm grasping at straws here. Just struck me this way though when I found out he went back to the OT and stopped reading the NT. Guess I'll just have to ask him myself, huh!
snbdye
some of you may recognize my name and my story - my husband has been studying with a jw for about a year now, off and on.
currently he claims that he is not going to read their books anymore and just read the bible on his own (yea!).
my question is in regards to his reading habits.
Hello all,
Some of you may recognize my name and my story - my husband has been studying with a jw for about a year now, off and on. Currently he claims that he is not going to read their books anymore and just read the Bible on his own (Yea!)
My question is in regards to his reading habits. He seems to me to be completely consumed with only reading the Old Testament. He occasionally reads out of the New Testament, but very rarely. Only to pick up some little scripture or something. I have asked him over and over to read the New Testament. The other day he said he started with Matthew. Tonight he told me he only read the first couple of chapters and then started reading Kings or something. He says he has read the Old Testament completely through at least once..maybe twice now over the past few years. But has only skimmed the New Testament. I am wondering if this is encouraged by the jw's? It would make sense to me - because I believe if he reads the New Testament, he will come to a completely different viewpoint on who Jesus is and what his coming truly was. (Please dont blast me on this if you're not of the same beliefs I am....this is MY belief, and I think it fits )
I'm just curious if this is just some strange aversion he has to the NT, or if it is actually encouraged?
Thanks!
snbdye
i have a question as to who the wtbts teaches is the faithful and discreet slave.
i am not a jw, never have been.
my husband though is reading a lot of their books and such.
Thanks everyone for all of your responses, I appreciate it a lot. Today was actually a very good day with my husband and I . He had the day off from work and we spent the better part of it discussing a lot of issues regarding the WTBTS. He says he does want to celebrate Christmas, that I can in fact have a tree up and buy presents, etc. He says he really enjoys it and since he's not completely convinced it's wrong, that he cant see not celebrating it. He said I brought up something weeks ago about him needing to read the JW books that really has had him thinking. In that conversation, I was arguing with him that he does not need the JW books to learn the Bible. He countered with the story about the ethiopian - word for word like his JW friend explained it to him. I told him that he was completely wrong - that in that story, the ethiopian only needed to understand that Jesus was the Messiah. Once he knew that, he was babtized and left on his own. No book studies, no nothing. Apparenly my husband has been studying about what I said and now believes I am correct. He told me tonight that it makes him wonder what else he has been led to believe that isnt right. He claims he is going to give back all the books and not meet with the jw anymore. That he just wants to read the Bible on his own and come up with his own beliefs. That in his reading, it will either confirm his beliefs or show him where he is wrong. I asked him what is driving him to believe them, and he said because it's the only religion he has found that believes like him...mainly that Jesus is not God, no eternal hell/punishment, and that we will not be going to heaven. He said he absolutely does not believe in the blood issue, does not believe there is a seperate annointed class and after showing him things you all have previously written, that there is not a seperate faithful and discreet slave. He does not believe any one religion has all the answers. So we'll see what happens. In past experience, he tends to get "convinced" by the jw at his work how wrong he is when he changes his mind about continuing to study with them. I'm hopefull he will stay true to the things he has said today and wont let this guy convince him otherwise. He thinks I just want to get him to believe like I do...and although I would like that, it's no big deal to me. I told him that I will respect his beliefs, if they are coming truly just from his heart, and not being "led" to believe those things because he wont put down the JW books. I told him that I will respect his beliefs, but that I will fight like mad to keep the jw's out of our lives. I asked him if he wouldnt do the same if I were to start studying with Mormons or some religion like that. He laughed and said yes he would. So for now there's a little peace in this house, and I'm not so scared of him becoming a jw. But I wont put down my guard, that's for sure. If I hadnt done that a year ago, we might not be where we are! But thanks to all of you, it helps having people to talk with that know what I'm talking about. Unless someone has been directly involved with this group, they just cant relate to any of this. I'll keep you all posted.
snbdye
i have a question as to who the wtbts teaches is the faithful and discreet slave.
i am not a jw, never have been.
my husband though is reading a lot of their books and such.
under74: Forgive me, but I am totally lost on what you wrote. I've read it and re-read it and it makes no sense to me at all. Not sure what I'm missing here. Help me out some?
FreeWilly: Thank you for the advice. I have done a ton of research on this. I found out about my husband studying with a JW on his lunch breaks at work about a year ago. And it has caused a lot of trouble in our marriage. But I dont argue doctrine with him too much anymore like I used to. If we do get into an argument, it's usually because he wants to "prove" he's right and I'm wrong. I just dont go there very often. I can accept his beliefs, but I will never accept the WTBTS in my family. My husband has read Crisis of Conscience. For awhile there after he read it, he was I believe seeing the organization for what it really is. He even threw away all JW books he had received. But not very long afterwards I found a whole new set of books in his car. Not long ago he told me that at his meeting with his JW friend, my husband explained that he would never go along with the blood issue, or believe that there is a seperate "anointed class". They stopped meeting for awhile after that. I think they're starting up again now, because he's starting in on Christmas now - we've always celebrated it before, but now he thinks it's bad. I respect all of you who dont celebrate it, but I dont accept that I have to give it up now because my husband has decided so! He's very confused right now I think - I mean he celebrated Halloween, took our daughter trick-or-treating, celebrated Thanksgiving, even did all the shopping for it! But now says we cant have a tree in the house. Who knows though, maybe tomorrow it will be ok to have a tree. He flip-flops so much I cant keep up. Regardless, I will have my tree and celebration whether he likes it or not. I'm willing to buy a much smaller tree than in the past, but I wont just give it up. He did say he just wants to read the Bible and will give back the books - and wants to use a greek translation book to read along with it. Anyone know what I should get? He brought home a diaglott from his JW friend, but truthfully I dont trust anything this man hands out. I have never met the man, and have no desire to meet him. I understand what you are saying about meeting with them, but I just cant do it. As it stands, we dont discuss religion much, but I believe I have planted enough little seeds of doubt in his head to keep him from getting babtized. Only time will tell though. I am completely amazed though how badly he defends them and their changes in doctrine, etc. when he's never even been a member! He completely ignores all their false prophesies, old teachings, etc. I likened it all to a bad tree - like the Bible says, a good tree doesnt bare bad fruit - and all their flip-flops and such are bad fruit. So he told me the story about King David. Blows my mind. Well I'm rambling - thanks for sharing with me.
i have a question as to who the wtbts teaches is the faithful and discreet slave.
i am not a jw, never have been.
my husband though is reading a lot of their books and such.
I have a question as to who the WTBTS teaches is the faithful and discreet slave. I am not a JW, never have been. My husband though is reading a lot of their books and such. We were arguing about something JW related the other day - I think Christmas, cant remember. Anyways, as usual it went in a hundred different directions. I brought up that I believe they teach that the faithful and discreet slave is the governing body or the WTBTS as a whole. He got really angry about that and said no way, that it represents any christian. I told him I didnt think that is what the JW's teach though and he got really angry and wants me to back up my words. I know I've glanced in some of these books he has and I'm sure I've read it in there. Can anyone help me out, or am I wrong on this? Oh - he did admit that they taught at one time that Russel (I think) was the f&ds, but that they dont anymore. Whenever I bring up flip-flops on doctrine he says he doesnt care what was taught a long time ago - that if it's not taught since about the year 2000, he doesnt care. Gave me a long speech about king David and how God left him in power even though he was doing wrong.....I have a hunch that he was given that particular speech by his JW friend he meets with after I brought up a bunch of stuff. Sound familiar to anyone? Thanks for clearing these things up for me.
