How is Genesis scientifically incorrect? (page 3)

cofty

The first man CAME FROM the dry land (earth) - RJH

No he didn't. We evolved from non-human ancestors over millions of years. This is a fact beyond all sensible debate. Therefore Genesis fails.

Crazyguy

Bottom line is the writer states that vegetation was created before the sun and moon proving the bible wasn't inspired

Genesis is myth and nice fable stories that tribal communities used to share around the camp fire at the night. Nothing more. Earth, Sun, Moon are here because were are leftover of the supernova explosion. Genesis does not say it.

Life on Earth evolve from primitive to complex organism. Genesis did not know that pollen flowering flowers originated in mesozoic era, so there was no fruits bearing trees. Pollen did not exist until middle of the Triassic, yet we have animals and complex living organism. Entire order of the creation is wrong in Genesis.

prologos

yeah, humans made from the dust of the ground? The organ with the least dust is the human brain, 95 % water, just a dusting of dust of what makes us most human.

Coded Logic

I've already covered this in another thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/287553/creationist-should-dismiss-genesis-quickly

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1:1 implies that the heavens (moon, sun, stars, planets, etc.) were made at, or around, the same time as the earth was made. This is not true in the slightest. The universe is roughly 13.6 billion years old - while the earth is only about 4.5 billion years old. And the moon is much younger than that. Thus, "in the beginning” would take up a period of more than 9 billion years. Or, over two-thirds the age of the universe. Hardly "in the beginning."

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

You say that earth was “formless” when it was the accretion disk around the Sun. The problem with this is there was no “surface of the deep” (oceans) and, also, the sun had already begun fusion - thus there would be light - not be darkness as Genesis claims. Also, there would also be light coming from other stars.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Here is a real nail in the coffin. According to Genesis God doesn't create light until AFTER he’s created the earth. This is NOT compatible with cosmology. Light has been around for at least 13 billion years. Much older than the age of the earth.

Some try to argue that light was not created on the first day but, rather, that light did not reach the surface of the earth until the first day. This, firstly, is NOT what the scriptures says. And even if the scripture did say that it would still be false. Light had been shining on the earth during all points of its formation. Genesis just plainly gets light wrong.

And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

There is no vault separating the waters from the waters. There are streams that flow in the Rockies high above the clouds and fog of the West Coast. There is ice at sea level, mountain level, and even higher up in stratiform clouds. Water vapor exists throughout our entire atmosphere and also exists deep under the oceans near hydrothermal vents. There is no vault separating the waters from the waters - water exists in many forms at every level.

And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

There is not just "dry land" and "gathered waters." There are also tidal pools, marsh lands, and deltas.

Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Genesis has vegetation created BEFORE the sun. This is a HUGE problem. It’s also says that plants were created at the same time as fruit trees. Land plants have been around for over five-hundred-million years. Fruit trees have been around for less than sixty-million years - an overlap of five-hundred and forty million years.

And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

How exactly do plants and trees grow for five-hundred and forty million years without the sun? And the sun is much younger than most the stars we see in the sky. Not the same age. And certainly not younger than the earth and plants and trees. Also the moon, unlike the sun, is not a light. It’s a reflector. Genesis just gets it wrong on every single level here.

And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

Genesis has flying animals created before land animals. This is completely backwards. Flying insects, birds, bats, and pterosaurs all evolved from creatures that lived on the land.

Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Humans are omnivores. Not herbivores.

And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.

Once again Genesis says there are only herbivores. This is not true. There is a huge variety of omnivores and carnivores.

smiddy

genesis Ch.1:14-19 " let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years and they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth and it came to be so .

And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries , the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night.and also the stars.

thus god put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between the light and the darkness."

The sun for daylight ? the moon for night time ? No not really .

O.K. ,for the most part , wherever you are on the earth the sun does come up on time to give us our day of light.

Not so with the moon to give us a luminary for the night , depending on where you are in the earth you may have a moonless night , Where is the moon ? Its above another part of the earth where the moon will be quite visible during dawn till sunset in your sky depending on where you live.

I pointed out the moon in the sky to my SIL about 2pm in the afternoon an ex JW and she didnt beleive it was the moon until I pointed out to her the rise and set of the moon was in our local national paper .

her Jw grandson was with her at that time .

no feedback of course

smiddy

cofty

I pointed out the moon in the sky to my SIL about 2pm in the afternoon an ex JW and she didnt beleive it was the moon until I pointed out to her the rise and set of the moon was in our local national paper .

Priceless!

Caedes

"I pointed out the moon in the sky to my SIL about 2pm in the afternoon an ex JW and she didnt beleive it was the moon until I pointed out to her the rise and set of the moon was in our local national paper."

I wonder what she thought it was? She must have noticed it before then.

Viviane

Asherah?

TerryWalstrom

The first story’s order of creation (Genesis 1:1–2:3):
* light and darkness
* sky waters, sea waters, and a vault between them
* land and plants
* sun, moon, stars
* aquatic and flying animals
* land animals and people (male and female)

The second story’s order of creation (Genesis 2:4–25):
* earth and heavens (including a garden in Eden, and various streams of water)
* man (Adam)
* rain; beasts of the field, birds of the air; plants (exact order not specified)
* woman

The order doesn’t match up—they cannot be taken literally. Fortunately, a good number of Christians, including some prominent paleontologists, understand this. The Roman Catholic church has even specifically commented on the matter, denying that it should be taken literally.

How is Genesis scientifically incorrect?

cofty

Crazyguy

kaik

prologos

Coded Logic

smiddy

cofty

Caedes

Viviane

TerryWalstrom

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