Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

by Sugar Shane 104 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  MeanMrMustard

  Since this thread started specifically about Stephan Moloneux, and specifically about IQ, perhaps it is best that we post his videos in which he actually interviews experts on both sides of the coin (nature vs nurture). Again, these are experts in the field - like a good cultist.

  Dr. Linda Gottfredson. Link:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZPsXYo7gpc

  Dr. Gottfredson has worked extensively in the area, as well as in "race normalizing" IQ tests...

  Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lsa_97KIlc

  Dr. James Flynn - He argues for the Nature argument. Link:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ0W5Efp8N0

  For those arguing that IQ tests are biased - there has been a lot of work done to make them racially, culturally, and educationally UN-biased. Please watch the first video above. And then detail how the sample IQ test question in the next post exhibits cultural bias.
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  MeanMrMustard

  Sample IQ question:

  
  
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  FedUpJW

  I have know some very high I.Q. people in my life up to this point, however with only one or two exceptions they have been some of the most stupid people when it comes to everyday, practical life smarts. Just sayin'.
  
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  recovering

  Here is an example of a culturally biased question.

  1. Napoleon is to beer as _____ is to salad dressing.
  
  a. Washington
  
  b. Arthur
  
  c. Cesar
  
  If their culture does not have Cesar Salad Dressing than most likely they are not going to understand this question and probably get it wrong.
  
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  MeanMrMustard

  @recovering: Yes but the point is that there exist IQ tests that are NOT biased. And those have been used for years to accurately measure by race, sex, age, ethnicity, country, etc.

  The results are the same. You can’t dodge the facts.
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  LoveUniHateExams

  Here is an example of a culturally biased question - hmm, it kinda depends on the groups of people who were asked the question.

  Would that question be culturally biased if put to Jewish Americans, white Americans, African-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Latino-Americans?
  
  
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  cofty

  If their culture does not have Cesar Salad Dressing than most likely they are not going to understand this question and probably get it wrong

  I have never heard of Napoleon beer but it is still easy to work that out.

  The point is that IQ tests that matter do NOT use culturally dependent questions.
  
  
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  MeanMrMustard

  And here is Dr. Richard Hair (http://www.richardhaier.com/) speaking with Dr. Jordan Peterson about the difficulties of individuals with low IQ.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj62Uy25uBs

  There is a lot of merit in the idea that low IQ individuals, invited into a high IQ society, would fail. Culture, race, sex - all irrelevant.

  But it is not necessarily so... only under certain conditions .
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  recovering

  The example i used was one that was actually on an IQ test. Loveuni that is the point. The question should be framed so that (what ever culture you belong to ) there is no ambiguity ,as to what it is asking.

  Here is another one.

  • Find the answer that best completes the analogy:

  Book is to Reading as Fork is to:

  a. drawing

  b. writing

  c. stirring

  d. eating

  
  Easy question for those of us in western cultures. However can you see how it might confuse someone from China ( they use chop sticks or from Ethiopians who's etiquette requires using the hands to eat.)
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  MeanMrMustard

  @recovering:

  Yes I am sure they are on SOME IQ tests. But there exist IQ tests that are NOT culturally biased.

  And the results are the same.