9yr old girl kills her gun instructor with an uzi

by EndofMysteries 137 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  redvip2000

  Skateboards, archery, motorcycles, monkey bars, bikes, downhill skiing and gymnastics are also dangerous kid activities that carry varying degrees of risk (sometimes a high degree/potentially lethal).

  You can't be serious here. You're not really comparing an assault weapon with a skateboard right? Yes of course anything can be dangerious - if you stick a fork in your eye, it's dangerous, but let's be reasonable here. Children don't completely grasp the seriousness of their actions.

  IMO this is natural selection at its best. Idiot parent is denied continuing his lineage because of stupid behavior.
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  BizzyBee

  I have a feeling that, as more information is forthcoming, the parents are revealed to be idiots.
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  LisaRose

  http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/06/gun_deaths_in_children_statistics_show_firearms_endanger_kids_despite_nra.html

  This is a very interesting article. This is part of it:

  The overwhelming empirical evidence indicates that the presence of a gun makes children less safe; that programs such as Eddie Eagle are insufficient; and that measures the NRA and extreme gun advocates vehemently oppose, such as gun safes and smart guns, could dramatically reduce the death toll. Study after study unequivocally demonstrates that the prevalence of firearms directly increases the risk of youth homicide, suicide, and unintentional death. This effect is consistent across the United States and throughout the world. As a country, we should be judged by how well we protect our children. By any measure, we are failing horribly.
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  NVR2L8

  This child mind has been messed up forever...not only because she killed someone, but from the moment her parents taught her it's OK to fire guns for fun.
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  Nathan Natas

  EndofMysteries, you seem very well informed. </sarcasm off>

  NAME some of those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

  Please provide proof for your straw man argument.
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  BizzyBee

  NAME some of those arguing that young children should be taught how to use guns.

  Google "children taught to use guns."
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  LisaRose

  Another excerpt from this same article.

  In the overall suicide rate, the United States ranks roughly in the middle of the pack among industrialized nations. However, we are the exception when it comes to suicides among children between the ages of 5 and 14, with an overall rate twice the average of other developed nations. This stark difference is driven almost exclusively by a firearm-related suicide rate that is 10 times the average of other industrialized nations.

  I had a suicidal child, I shudder to think what might have happened if she had access to a gun, she attempted twice using other methods. These were not cries for help, she really wanted to die. If she had a gun, all the gun instruction in the world would not have prevented her from using it. She struggled dealing with the hormone shifts and conflicting emotions of being a teen, as many children do, in her mind suicide was a viable option. With help she recovered and is doing extremely well. Everyone thinks they are different, that their child would never do something like that, but the reality is that it happens all the time to all kinds of people.
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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  You can't be serious here. You're not really comparing an assault weapon with a skateboard right?

  No, I am not making that comparison.

  What I am saying is that there are a lot of children's/young adult activities are dangerous, some bordering on/or outrightly "extreme sports". But that does not keep parents from allowing their children to participate in those activities. Ever watch the Olympics? You'll see very young teens (or younger) doing aerobatics on skis off of jumps that are 50' high while they fly off them at 40 mph. Do you see anyone moving to ban young people from aerial skiing simply because it's dangerous? No.

  Ever watch young teens at events similar to "X Games" doing extreme skateboarding? Motocross races? Highly dangerous, potentially lethal sports, yet no one is clamoring for laws to be passed to stop it by enacting blanket, one-size-fits-all bans saying no young person should be allowed to do it under any circumstances.

  My point is that tragedies like this one invariably result in a knee-jerk reaction by people so polarized they shelve it into a category that;s unique unto itself. I try to find the middle ground, weigh the pros and cons, see it from both sides before painting the issue with a broad brush.

  Where I grew up there were rural areas where children learned to hunt at a very early age. Sometimes hunting was the primary way the family provided food for themselves. Would anyone argue that those children should be banned from hunting or handling firearms until they reach age 18 or older, simply because no 11 year old should ever handle a firearm for any reason?

  That being said, we don't know the family in this story's background. Maybe the parents are idiots. Maybe this is the first time the daughter has ever shot a gun. I don't know. Perhaps this was a stupid act based on some really bad decisions on both the parents' and instructor's part and could've been avoided by using common sense. Time will tell.

  What I'm not into is using one accident like this one to promote agendsa that affect millions of people who are acting responsibly.
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  EndofMysteries

  Nathan - ask, and you shall receive. The names from this 11 page thread are http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/relationships/278759/1/Took-my-son-5-yrs-shooting-for-his-first-time#.U_4i9_ldV8E , dazed and confused who took his 5 year old son shooting at a range who started the thread and quite a few more over those 11 pages.
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  Paris

  Shirley - American ? Republican ? She was a tiny, frail, small, child. her parents and the firing range and the instructor all all at fault and the laws that allow people to arm children. How is it we are horrified by using child soldiers in Africa and set up whole organizations to stop this and then hand lethal weapons to children in the United States ?

  An Uzi is not a hunting weapon or even a self defense weapon.

  it it a Miltary Grade, blowback-operated submachine gun used by Special Forces in combat.

  Blowback is a system of operation for self-loading firearms that obtains energy from the motion of the cartridge case as it is pushed to the rear by expanding gases created by the ignition of the propellant charge. The energy from the expansion of gases on firing appears in the form of kinetic energy transmitted to the bolt mechanism, which is controlled and used to operate the firearm's operation cycle. The extent to which blowback is employed largely depends on the manner used to control the movement of the bolt and the proportion of energy drawn from other systems of operation

  Does this sound like a child's toy to you ?