So you agree he condoned the entire Law, even the parts about rape and the ability to beat slaves to death with zero consequences?
Of course not. Because he did not. As I have stated in this thread. Some laws were simply social laws, and some given due to the 'hard-heartedness of the people' as situations arose that needed a law. (perhaps even given due to the hard-heartedness of the leaders or those transcribing the laws... jeremiah 8:8)
You judged his motives to be something. Please try to be honest.
Yes, I made a judgment call on his motives (just as he has done from the start of this thread ). I did so over his words here:
What is exactlyis there to be impressed with ? WIth all the evil in the world at those times, the most important social topic he can commentary on after the kingdom and loving his father is to pay tax.and be an obedient slave ? WTF is going on here ?
mP looks for and focuses on anything he thinks is bad... to the point of ignoring anything that would show the opposite. This is not the first conversation that he and I have had.
And if you were on the other 'side' of this debate, you would be the first one pointing out the holes in his arguments. So YOU try and be honest.
So YOU addressed it and YOU are wrong. Contradictions, no matter how small, create contradictory accounts. YOU tried to deny that. Please try to stay honest.
You go back and read. None of this has anything to do with what was being discussed. Work on your own honesty, EP. Let me worry about mine.
Interesting conjecture. Sadly for you, it's merely conjecture.
It is. As are mP's 'conclusions' on this thread. Interesting that you feel the need to focus only one the one.
Actually, I just see the truth in your words that you deny. Keep on cherry picking a nd judging people while claiming that's not what you are doing. Everyone else sees it for what it is.
You do not see as much as you think you do. Nor do you (and perhaps a few others) represent 'everyone' else. Though you seem to think you do.
The only time its wrong to rape a virgin is if you cant pay because the poor girl becomes used and cant be sold at a premium price especially if she becomes pregnant. Its only a crime to rape a married woman because she is another mans property.
Put that another way.
The deterrent for raping a virgin is that you have to pay a fine, or that you have to take her as wife and provide for her for the rest of her life. Yes, it is a monetary punishment. But it is still a punishement. You do not get a punishment if you have not done something that is wrong.
Putting women as property (be that daughter or wife or sister) gives her some manner of protection against those who would harm her. Because they have someone to answer to... whoever she belongs to. Does that sit well with us today? Of course not. But unless you live in those times under those conditions, hard to judge what method would keep a woman safest from those who would abuse her. Of course, what should have been used to protect was also used to abuse. That is on men, and their hearts though.
Its easy to see how these laws are connected to the situation in muslim countries where women cant walk down the street . If she has no protection from the law then she can and will be raped today just like in the past in ancient israel under its shariah law.
Yes, exactly. The men are at fault here. The laws above are meant as a deterrent... not as permission. Damage control, due to the - wait for it - hard-heartedness of the people.
I challenge you to find a single law against rape or pedophilia in the 613.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Since we have established that women were considered property, then they fall under the protection of property laws, do they not?
No where in the Bible is a man stoned for adultery, but the women somehow alawys get the blame and are often stoned of course.
A man committing adultery with another man's wife IS to be put to death along with her. Since men could have multiple wives, if he sleeps with an unmarried woman (virgin), then he has to take her to wife or pay a fine. He has to answer to whomever she belongs to.
Peace,
tammy
