Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-03-2013 WT Study (REAL SUCCESS)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-03-2013 WT Study (DECEMBER 15, 2012, pages 4-8)(REAL SUCCESS)

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    FIND REAL SUCCESS IN LIFE

    “You will make your way successful and

    . . . act wisely.”—JOSH. 1:8.

    HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?

    How successful was Solomon?

    In what way was Paul truly successful?

    How can you be lastingly successful?

    OPENING COMMENTS

    I wish I knew how to bring in the manipulated picture of Paul going door to door with a book bag (see page 7 in this article above).

    Where are the scrolls?

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    http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/publishingcult/1stcenturyhousetohousewithpubs.jpg

    Page 6 shows a 1 st century elders school, right?

    Page 4 shows that men are not required to wear suit coats from door to door.

    START OF ARTICLE

    1, 2. (a) How do many people define success? (b) How

    might you gauge your view of success?

    WHAT does it mean to be successful in

    life? Ask people that question, and you

    will find that their answers vary greatly.

    Many, for example, define success in terms of

    outstanding achievement in financial, professional,

    or academic pursuits. Others factor in relationships

    —how well they relate to family, friends, or workmates.

    One who serves God might even link success

    to a position of responsibility in the congregation or

    to achievements in the ministry.

    COMMENTS

    Ask which people? Many, how many? Is based on a survey or a study or the personal opinion of the author of this article?

    Sounds like elders/MS and pioneers feel their future lies in what they do….but that’s what the WTS teaches.

    2 To identify your personal view of success, you

    might write down the names of a few people whom

    you consider to be successful—those whom you most

    admire and respect. What outstanding characteristic

    do they have in common? Are they rich or famous?

    Are they prominent? The answers may well reveal

    what is in your heart, and that can profoundly influence

    the choices you make and the goals you pursue.

    —Luke 6:45.

    COMMENTS

    People you view as successful: Jesus, Mary, Dorcas, Abigail, Jael, etc.

    Is this a trick question for jws?

    Are there prominent jws?

    When I visited new congregations when I traveled, people would tell me how many elders, regular pioneers they had, and then ask how many my congregation had.

    How are GB members treated at conventions…only certain ones can talk to them, they are protected, and concealed in private areas.

    I just saw a picture where GB members were signing bibles for public officials…prominent, famous?

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    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/207117/1/Governing-Body-Autographs-Gift-Bibles-For-Cuban-Authorities

    3. (a) What was Joshua to do to make his way successful?

    (b) What will we now consider?

    3 What matters most is whether Jehovah views us

    as successful, for our very lives depend on his approval.

    When giving Joshua the weighty assignment

    of leading the Israelites into the Promised Land, Jehovah

    told him to read the Mosaic Law “day and

    night” and to be careful to obey what was written in

    it. God assured him: “Then you will make your way

    successful and then you will act wisely.” (Josh. 1:7, 8)

    And you know that Joshua did prove to be successful.

    What about us? How may we determine whether

    our view of success matches God’s view? To that

    end, consider the lives of two men mentioned

    in the Bible.

    COMMENTS

    Yes, does God view us as successful but does his view of us filter through the GB? Or through other “imperfect” elders who can make a similar decision that the judges of Israel could make, that one was deserving of death, execution?

    Remember though that Joshua was used by God to kill innocent children.

    (Joshua 10:40) . . .And Joshua proceeded to strike all the land of the mountainous region and the Neg′eb and the She·phe′lah and the slopes and all their kings. He did not let a survivor remain, and everything that breathed he devoted to destruction, just as Jehovah the God of Israel had commanded.

    (Joshua 11:14) 14 And all the spoil of these cities and the domestic animals the sons of Israel plundered for themselves. It was only all humankind that they struck with the edge of the sword until they had annihilated them. They did not let anyone that breathed remain.

    WAS SOLOMON SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE?

    4. Why might it be said that Solomon was successful?

    4 In many ways, Solomon was exceptionally

    successful. Why? Because for a

    number of years, he feared and obeyed

    Jehovah, who blessed him greatly. Recall

    that when Jehovah had Solomon make

    a request, the king asked for wisdom

    to guide the people. Thereupon God

    blessed him with both wisdom and riches.

    (Read 1 Kings 3:10-14.) His wisdom

    was “vaster than the wisdom of all the

    Orientals and than all the wisdom of

    Egypt.” Solomon’s fame came to be

    known “in all the nations all around.”

    (1 Ki. 4:30, 31) As to wealth, his annual

    revenue of gold alone weighed

    some 25 tons! (2 Chron. 9:13) He was

    brilliant in diplomacy, construction, and

    commerce. Yes, while he maintained

    his right standing with God, Solomon

    proved to be successful.—2 Chron. 9:

    22-24.

    COMMENTS

    How successful was Solomon who died an apostate with 1,000 wives/concubines, a worshipper of many false gods, even building temples for them.

    *** w04 4/1 pp. 11-12 par. 9 Resist the Spirit of a Changing World ***

    And Solomon’s wisdom was vaster than the wisdom of all the Orientals and than all the wisdom of Egypt.” (1 Kings 4:21, 29, 30; 11:9) Surely, one might think, if anyone was likely to remain faithful to God, it was Solomon. Yet, Solomon drifted into apostasy.

    Though Solomon died in an apostate state, the WTS says he will be resurrected. What about so-called ex-jw apostates today?

    *** w05 7/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

    What happened to Solomon when he died? The Bible answers: “The days that Solomon had reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel were forty years. Then Solomon lay down with his forefathers, and was buried in the City of David his father.” (1 Kings 11:42, 43) Hence, it seems reasonable to conclude that Solomon is in Sheol, or Hades, from which he will be resurrected.

    This conclusion implies that the possibility of being resurrected is open to others concerning whom the Scriptures specifically say, ‘they lay down with their forefathers.’ In fact, many of the kings who succeeded Solomon, though unfaithful, are spoken of in this way. This is not inconceivable, since “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15) Of course, only after “all those in the memorial tombs” are raised will we know for a certainty who has been favored with a resurrection. (John 5:28, 29) So rather than be dogmatic about the resurrection of any particular individual of old, we wait, trusting in Jehovah’s perfect decision.

    Yet the WTS says this about “unrepentant apostates” which Solomon certainly was.

    *** w82 4/1 p. 27 par. 6 Survival or Destruction at the “Great Tribulation” ***

    Now, the Bible definitely shows that some end up in the symbolic Gehenna before the 1,000-year Judgment Day begins. Jesus told the unrepentant scribes and Pharisees that they and their Gentile proselytes were ‘subjects for Gehenna’ or, literally, ‘sons of Gehenna.’ (Matthew 23:15, 33-35; see also John 9:39-41; 15:22-24.) If even a proselyte of the Pharisees became a subject for Gehenna ‘twice as much so as themselves,’ how much more so Judas Iscariot, who made a heinous deal with them to betray God’s Son! Jesus implied this when he called Judas “the son of destruction.” (John 17:12) Similarly, unrepentant apostates go, at death, not to Sheol, or Hades, but to Gehenna. (Hebrews 6:4-8; 2 Peter 2:1) The same is true of dedicated Christians who persist in willful sin or those who “shrink back.” (Hebrews 10:26-31, 38, 39)

    And here the WTS resorts to speaking out of the other side of the mouth.

    *** w06 3/15 p. 6 The Only Remedy! ***

    We must be careful, though, not to speculate on whether a certain person will be resurrected or not. This judgment belongs to God. He knows who is in Hades and who is in Gehenna.

    5. What did Solomon conclude about those

    who are successful before God?

    5 What Solomon wrote in the book of

    Ecclesiastes shows that he was not misled

    into thinking that achievement and

    joy are limited to those having wealth

    or prominence. Not at all. He wrote: “I

    have come to know that there is nothing

    better for them than to rejoice and to

    do good during one’s life; and also that

    every man should eat and indeed drink

    and see good for all his hard work. It

    is the gift of God.” (Eccl. 3:12, 13) And

    he realized that such pleasures are truly

    meaningful for the one who has God’s

    approval, who has a good relationship

    with Him. Solomon rightly stated: “The

    conclusion of the matter, everything

    having been heard, is: Fear the true God

    and keep his commandments. For this

    is the whole obligation of man.”—Eccl.

    12:13.

    COMMENTS

    Of course though, Solomon received both wisdom and wealth without any real work on his part, just an accident of birth, easy for him to say that joy did not come out of “wealth or prominence.” And based on the Law, he would never have been born because both David and Bathsheba should have been executed.

    And Solomon sought forbidden pleasures, marrying non-Israelite woman and losing God’s approval. He practiced, “do as I say, not as I do.”

    6. What insight does Solomon’s example offer

    us as to measuring true success?

    6 For years, Solomon walked in the

    fear of God. We read that he “continued

    to love Jehovah by walking in the

    statutes of David his father.” (1 Ki. 3:3)

    Would you not count that as true success?

    At God’s direction, Solomon built

    a magnificent temple for true worship

    and wrote three Bible books. While we

    may not expect to do the same, Solomon’s

    example when he was faithful

    to God should show us how to evaluate

    what is real success and should thus

    help us to achieve it. In this regard, remember

    that under inspiration Solomon

    wrote that wealth, wisdom, fame, and

    power—what most people today would

    view as benchmarks of success—are

    vain. Such things are really empty, “a

    striving after wind.” Have you not seen

    that many lovers of wealth yearn to have

    ever more? And they often worry about

    what they do have. Moreover, their riches

    will one day go to others.—Read Ecclesiastes

    2:8-11, 17; 5:10-12.

    COMMENTS

    For years…but in the end, Solomon died unfaithful. Had he abandoned his wealth and lived a simple live of full-time service to God?

    “when he was faithful” but not to death….so do df’d jws who die unfaithful have the same hope to be resurrected as the WTS gives the apostate Solomon, but not the apostate Judas? What did Solomon value more by the time he died?

    7, 8. How did Solomon prove unfaithful, and

    with what result?

    7 You also know that Solomon eventually

    strayed from the course of faithful

    obedience. God’s Word states: “It came

    about in the time of Solomon’s growing

    old that his wives themselves had inclined

    his heart to follow other gods; and

    his heart did not prove to be complete

    with Jehovah his God like the heart of

    David his father. . . . Solomon began to

    do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah.”

    —1 Ki. 11:4-6.

    COMMENTS

    Solomon did more than stray, he was an unrepentant apostate by the time he died, subject to Gehenna depending on which WT quote is applied.

    8 Rightly displeased, Jehovah told Solomon:

    “For the reason that . . . you have

    not kept my covenant and my statutes

    that I laid in command upon you, I shall

    without fail rip the kingdom away from

    off you, and I shall certainly give it to

    your servant.” (1 Ki. 11:11) How tragic!

    Though Solomon had been a success in

    many ways, in time he disappointed Jehovah.

    In the most important area of life

    —faithfulness to God—Solomon failed.

    Each of us can ask, ‘Am I determined to

    make sure that the lesson learned from

    Solomon’s life will help me to be a success?’

    COMMENTS

    Saul—executed by God

    David—should have died as well for the sins of murder and adultery

    Solomon—died an unrepentant apostate

    Rehoboam—died having established sex worship with ten tribes given to a servant of Solomon

    A TRULY SUCCESSFUL LIFE

    9. By the world’s standards, was Paul successful?

    Explain.

    9 The apostle Paul’s life differed greatly

    from King Solomon’s. For Paul, there

    was no ivory throne or feasting with

    kings. Instead, there were times of hunger,

    thirst, cold, and nakedness. (2 Cor.

    11:24-27) Once he accepted Jesus as the

    Messiah, Paul held no position of honor

    in the Jewish religion. Rather, the Jewish

    religious leaders hated him. He was

    imprisoned, whipped, beaten with rods,

    and stoned. Paul acknowledged that he

    and his fellow Christians were reviled,

    persecuted, and defamed. “We have become

    as the refuse of the world, the off scouring

    of all things, until now.”—1 Cor.

    4:11-13.

    COMMENTS

    How many people were “successful” by the “world’s standards” in Paul’s time? Think how many slaves there were even in the Christian congregation. Paul constantly preached how the Christians of his time including him would be kings and priests with Christ, immortal. So were the Christians they did not received physical persecution and were not reviled or defamed unsuccessful?

    Not all Christians will experience severe persecution. WT 02-15-2012 Be Courageous and Very Strong (paragraph 20)

    10. Why might it have seemed that Paul

    spurned success?

    10 As a young man named Saul, the

    apostle Paul seemed to have so much

    going for him. Born into what may have

    been a prominent family, he studied

    with Gamaliel, a respected teacher, and

    later wrote: “I was making greater progress

    in Judaism than many of my own

    age.” (Gal. 1:14) Fluent in Hebrew and

    Greek, Saul had Roman citizenship,

    which accorded him much-coveted privileges

    and rights. Had he chosen to keep

    pursuing such worldly success, he could

    likely have gained personal prominence

    and financial security. Instead, he chose

    a course that to others—perhaps even to

    some relatives—seemed to be sheer folly.

    Why?

    COMMENTS

    Did Paul turn away from these benefits when a Christian? Remember he invoked his Roman citizenship to avoid death.

    Did he stop pursuing prominence? Or did he trade rulers? Remember Jesus appeared personally to Paul and spoke to him. How many jws can say that today, anointed or not?

    Did he serve God and Jesus for love or reward?

    PICTURE: By human standards, Saul appeared

    to be on the path to success

    11. What values and goal did Paul hold dear,

    and why?

    11 Paul loved Jehovah and desired his

    approval more than riches and prominence

    among men. Gaining an accurate

    knowledge of the truth, Paul came

    to value the ransom, the Christian ministry,

    the hope of life in heaven—things

    that the world largely ignores. Paul realized

    that there was an issue to be settled.

    Satan had charged that he could turn hu-

    mans aside from serving God. (Job 1:9-

    11; 2:3-5) No matter what trials came his

    way, Paul was determined to be faithful

    to God, to endure in true worship. That

    is a goal that is lacking on the world’s

    agenda for success.

    COMMENTS

    Notice the WTS leaves Jesus out of the picture; no love for him mentioned.

    How can the ransom be valued by non-anointed jws when the WTS teaches that Jesus is not their mediator?

    *** w10 8/15 p. 14 par. 10 How the Ransom Saves Us ***

    The Scriptures explain: “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all.”—1 Tim. 2:5, 6.

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mediator.php

    12. Why did you choose to rest your hope on

    God?

    12 Do you share Paul’s determination?

    Though living a life of faithfulness is

    not always easy, we know that it brings

    Jehovah’s blessing and approval, and

    that is what makes one truly successful.

    (Prov.10:22) We benefit now, and we certainly

    can expect blessings in the future.

    (Read Mark 10:29, 30.) Hence, we have

    every reason to rest our hope, “not on

    uncertain riches, but on God, who furnishes

    us all things richly for our enjoyment.”

    We ‘safely treasure up for ourselves

    a fine foundation for the future,

    in order that we may get a firm hold on

    the real life.’ (1 Tim. 6:17-19) Yes, we

    can be absolutely sure that a hundred

    years from now, even a thousand years

    or more from now, we will be able to

    look back and say, “I definitely chose the

    course of real success!”

    COMMENTS

    No approval from Jesus?

    Do we serve God because we love him or we expect blessings?

    100 years from now….in the new system or still waiting?

    1,000 years….still waiting?

    WHERE YOUR TREASURE IS

    13. Jesus gave what counsel about storing up

    treasures?

    13 Jesus said about treasures: “Stop

    storing up for yourselves treasures upon

    the earth, where moth and rust consume,

    and where thieves break in and

    steal. Rather, store up for yourselves

    treasures in heaven, where neither moth

    nor rust consumes, and where thieves

    do not break in and steal. For where your

    treasure is, there your heart will be also.”

    —Matt. 6:19-21.

    COMMENTS

    Store up treasure in heaven—works = salvation?

    14. Why is it unwise to seek earthly treasures?

    14 A person’s earthly treasure may be

    more than just money. In a sense, it

    could include any of those things that

    Solomon wrote about that have to do

    with being successful in the eyes of men

    —prestige, fame, or power. Jesus made a

    point similar to the one Solomon made

    in the book of Ecclesiastes—worldly treasures

    are not lasting. As you have likely

    seen in the world around you, all such

    treasures are perishable and can be easily

    lost. Professor F. Dale Bruner writes

    of such treasures: “It is well known that

    fame is fickle. Last Saturday’s hero is

    next season’s has-been. This year’s

    financial success is next year’s bankruptcy.

    . . . [Jesus] loves human beings. He

    urges them to avoid the inevitable despair

    that comes with evanescent glory.

    It doesn’t last. Jesus does not want [his]

    disciples [to be] disappointed. ‘Every

    day the world turns over on someone

    who was just sitting on top of it.’ ”

    Though most people would agree with

    those comments, how many allow the reality

    behind them to alter their approach

    to life? Will you?

    COMMENTS

    Who is Professor F. Dale Bruner, when and where did he say this, what are some of his other views and are they compatible with WT doctrine/policy?

    Why use views of a man that the WTS would discourage jws from reading; could the WTS not find a quote by a faithful jw or from the bible?

    15. For what kind of success should we strive?

    15 Some religious leaders have

    preached that it is wrong to strive after

    success and that all effort to succeed

    should be stifled. Note, though, that Jesus

    was not condemning all such effort.

    Rather, he was exhorting his disciples to

    redirect their effort, admonishing them to

    store up imperishable “treasures in heaven.”

    Our foremost desire should be to

    strive to be a success as Jehovah would

    view it. Yes, Jesus’ words remind us that

    we have a choice as to what we will pursue.

    The fact is, though, that we will pursue

    what is in our heart, what is of value

    to us.

    COMMENTS

    Jesus was not condemning all but how much? Who decides if it is too much, the WTS and their local congregation representatives the elder?

    (2 Corinthians 1:24 ) . . .Not that we are the masters over YOUR faith, but we are fellow workers for YOUR joy, for it is by [YOUR] faith that YOU are standing.

    16. In what can we have every confidence?

    16 If it is in our heart to please Jehovah,

    we can trust that he will see to it

    that we have the things we need. He

    may permit us to experience temporary

    hunger or thirst, as the apostle Paul did.

    (1 Cor. 4:11) Nevertheless, we can have

    every confidence in Jesus’ wise advice:

    “Never be anxious and say, ‘What are we

    to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or,

    ‘What are we to put on?’ For all these are

    the things the nations are eagerly pursuing.

    For your heavenly Father knows

    you need all these things. Keep on, then,

    seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness,

    and all these other things will

    be added to you.”—Matt. 6:31-33.

    COMMENTS

    Were the poor, sick, hurt helped by your congregation; were you helped or were you told to wait on God, or that you were not viewed as being in good enough standing in the congregation?

    FIND SUCCESS IN GOD’S SIGHT

    17, 18. (a) Upon what does true success depend?

    (b) Upon what does success not depend?

    17 A key point is this: Our being truly

    successful does not depend on our

    achievements or position in the eyes of

    the world. Moreover, true success is not

    measured by having a certain responsibility

    in the Christian arrangement. Such

    a blessing, though, can be related to

    what truly is the basis for success, our

    obedience and faithfulness to God, who

    assures us: “What is looked for in stewards

    is for a man to be found faithful.”

    (1 Cor. 4:2) And we must endure in being

    faithful. Jesus said: “He that has endured

    to the end is the one that will be saved.”

    (Matt. 10:22) Would you not agree that

    being saved is an undeniable evidence of

    success?

    COMMENTS

    Achievements or position in the eyes of the WTS and/or congregation.

    How often are elders identified by their “position” to visiting jws. Or ex-Bethelite, ex-CO, regular pioneer, elder’s wife. How many hear, that’s sister “husband not a jw” she’s not as strong as she could be…..

    Yes, he that as endured to the end….not like Solomon who got off the train before the end…not a success.

    18 Reflecting on the above, you can see

    that faithfulness to God is not linked to

    prominence, education, financial standing,

    or social status; nor is faithfulness

    dependent on intelligence, talent,

    or ability. In whatever circumstances we

    may find ourselves, we can prove faithful

    to God. Among God’s people in the first

    century, some were rich, others were

    poor. To the former, Paul’s counsel “to

    work at good, to be rich in fine works,

    to be liberal, ready to share” was valid.

    Both those rich and those poor could

    “get a firm hold on the real life.” (1 Tim.

    6:17-19) That is true today too. All of us

    have the same opportunity and the same

    responsibility: We must remain faithful

    and be “rich in fine works.” If we are, we

    will be successful in the eyes of our Creator

    and have the joy of knowing that we

    are pleasing him.—Prov. 27:11.

    COMMENTS

    faithfulness to God is not linked to

    prominence, education, financial standing,

    or social status; nor is faithfulness

    dependent on intelligence, talent,

    or ability.

    But it doesn’t hurt if you are Katherine or Rebbie Jackson, Prince, Larry Graham, Oracene Williams, the family with the 5,000 SF house, RV, sports car, cruises, skiing trips, expensive clothes, jewelry, who donate a lot of money to their local congregation, the CO and DO, and the WTS. Lawyers, nurses, doctors, professors, etc.,

    19. In the matter of success, what is your resolve?

    19 You may not be able to control your

    circumstances completely, but you can

    control how you deal with them. Strive

    to be faithful whatever your circumstances

    are. It is worth the effort. Be confident

    that Jehovah will bless you richly—

    now and throughout eternity. Never

    forget the words that Jesus directed to

    anointed Christians: “Prove yourself

    faithful even to death, and I will give you

    the crown of life.” (Rev. 2:10) That indeed

    is real success!

    COMMENTS

    *** w87 2/1 p. 15 par. 1 Doing Our Utmost to Declare the Good News ***

    “A FEW years ago, many of us thought that only those with special circumstances could pioneer,” wrote a pioneer, or full-time minister, in Japan. “It seems we were wrong. We are learning that only those with special circumstances cannot pioneer.”

    The number of pioneers and jws as decreased in Japan and they disappeared from the almost monthly peak reports in the Theocratic News. Have they not been controlling how they deal with them?

    Japan had a handful of Witnesses after WW 2....this number skyrocketed to 222,912 by 1998! Then something happened. Publisher figures didn't stop, they dropped by thousands over the next decade!

    1998 - Publishers Peak 222,912 Congs. 3,802

    EIGHT YEARS LATER----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    2006 - Publisher decline 217,519 {Loss -5,357} Congs. 3,164 {loss of -638}

    Basically no growth in 10 years with huge losses about an entire "District." Any ideas why? What made the Japanese who had 20-30% Increase each year for decades, drop off for the last 10 years?

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/175707/1/10-Years-Japan-losses-5-400-Publishers-and-638-Kingdom-Halls-Why

    “crown of life” = no crowns for the non-anointed jws unless you count the elders, “princes” on earth.

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    Next week, YOU ARE A TRUSTED STEWARD (paragraph 3 Luke 12:42-44). Is this preparation for saying that non-anointed jws are now stewards?

    Love, Blondie

  • Crisis of Conscience
    Crisis of Conscience

    Here you go blondie!

    (For others, this is the illustration on pg. 7 of the article.)

  • cptkirk
    cptkirk

    LMAO!!!!!! what happened to guns blazing sticking his hands through fire Paul? THEY CASTRATED HIM? LMAO. OK GUYS LISTEN UP, OUR REPRESENTATION OF THE TRUTH TURNS OUT MAYBE NOT SO GOOD, SO WE ARE GOING WITH A NEW LOOK! ALL IN FAVOR? THE I'S HAVE IT, PUT PAUL IN A WOMAN'S BATHROBE SET COMPLETE WITH SCARF AND POCKET BOOK.

  • The Song Remains The Same
    The Song Remains The Same

    Info on Prof Bruner found on Wiki

    Bruner became a Christian under the teaching of Henrietta Mears at the First Presbyterian Church of Hollywood. It was there that he met his wife Kathy and discerned his call to be a professor.

    He taught at the Union Theological Seminary in Manila, Philippines from 1964-1975. From 1975-1997, Dr. Bruner taught at Whitworth College in Spokane, Washington. Since then he has been at the Fuller Theological Seminary, in Pasadena, California working on commentary on the Gospel of John. Dr. Bruner has a passion for connecting and working with scholarship on biblical narrative. He has traveled around the country speaking at hundreds of Presbyterian Churches.

    Bruner then taught New Testament theology at Whitworth University in Spokane, Washington for 22 years beginning in 1975 and retiring in 1997. He held the position of George & Lyda Wasson Professor of Religion. [ 2 ] He has spoken and taught at churches all over the United States. [ 3 ]

    I'm not up on all this, but i doubt the Presbetarian Church and the WTBTS are close affiliates given what i've understood how the WT views other churches? I told my want-to-be-JW wife to bring this up today... But she won't.

  • LoisLane looking for Superman
    LoisLane looking for Superman

    Thank you Blondie.

    Just Lois

  • hoser
    hoser

    Great review as usual Blondie

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I hope eternal damnation for the scumbag that wrote up this washtowel article. This assures people to be in a poverty mindset, which leads to future lifetimes of poverty. You give up material security, and for what? People quitting school or cutting way back on secular work, so they can pious-sneer. Then they are destitute in their senior years, and one good emergency away from disaster. Never mind not having the pleasure of anything material. And what they do earn, they waste.

    To put this waste into perspective, I presume that they wish to donate 32 toilet papers a month to the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund. Add one suit dry cleaning and gas money or spending money on rides, and you are up to around 56 toilet papers a month. (And the actual amount could well be much higher, even if hyperinflation doesn't show up yet). I computed that, to get the next generation of Pokemon and play it properly, you will need two Nintendo 3DS systems, one cartridge of Pokemon X, and one cartridge of Pokemon Y. The games are coming out late October. This will cost about 8 months of expenses of the witlesses--each and every month, each publisher that wastes this amount of money on theocraptic rubbish is losing out on 1/8 of all the equipment needed to play Pokemon X and Y. And that doesn't even touch the funds they are losing for lost earnings.

    With this mindset of never being able to enjoy anything, it is no wonder the witlesses are dull. Plus, they are getting negative spiritual value from this investment. They are not developing their souls in any way, shape, or form while they are wasting their money. They think all they need is to read the LIE-ble and littera-trash based around it, go in field circus to peddle the rubbish, and make all the boasting sessions while avoiding condemned activities (including anything that would actually enhance your spirituality) to be saved.

    Destitution. Not having anything that is fun. No time for fun. Always being tired and never enjoying life. Spiritual damnation. Does this sound like the recipe for success? And it matters not whether you think you are going to succeed. If all it took to succeed was to think you are going to, I could get rich simply by falling for every Nigerian scam I could find, since that would force me to get rich--and then enjoy the money. But, since there is more than believing it's the right thing to do, I am not going online for Nigerian scams to get into. And I do not recommend falling for the washtowel scam.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Girl, you showed OFF !!!!! on this thread

    The sister who conducted my bible study, often pointed out

    details in the illustrations

    one time she pointed out how close that fire ball was to the feet of the statue

    you know, the statue that now has the feet of mixed clay

    She told me in each illustration that ball got closer to the feet

    which means I had to make a decision and fast

    Next time they come to my door, I think I'll draw a Watchtower

    fallin' to the ground. Each time they come 'round I'll compare

    my new pic to the old one I drew

    I'll give them the same warnin' I got " Time is short " get out now . TIMBER !!!!!!!!!!!

    .

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Girl, you showed OFF !!!!! on this thread

    The sister who conducted my bible study, often pointed out

    details in the illustrations

    one time she pointed out how close that fire ball was to the feet of the statue

    you know, the statue that now has the feet of mixed clay

    She told me in each illustration that ball got closer to the feet

    which means I had to make a decision and fast

    Next time they come to my door, I think I'll draw a Watchtower

    fallin' to the ground. Each time they come 'round I'll compare

    my new pic to the old one I drew

    I'll give them the same warnin' I got " Time is short " get out now . TIMBER !!!!!!!!!!!

    .

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    So are the non-anointed "domestics" also "stewards" who recieve the "crown of life"? Loved Paul's man bag! Apparently he was going from memory, or had the first ever codex tucked away in his murse. I didn't see any scrolls..

    Good observations as usual Blondie!

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