DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book

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  • johnnyblazedog
    johnnyblazedog

    booby= You are right about the hidden identification on prints from the digital presses. But this only applies to color presses. This hidden identification was put in place by the government to catch those people that try to counter fit currency. They have the "Yellow"(I think) drum layout an ink pattern that can only be seeing with a specific light and microscope (not to sure about the process). But nothing on the Black and White presses or the old school litho rotary presses...........mwhahahahahahahahah!!! LOL

    THanks for looking out!! :)

  • Mary
    Mary
    Mary, could you post a link to the UK version of Quotes? Or at least its name so we can google it? I'd appreciate it.

    Here ya go: http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/

  • bobld
    bobld

    You guys are not nice,it's like poking the GB in the eyes with a red hot poker.Oh well carry on

    B

  • djeggnog
    djeggnog

    The new Kingdom Ministry School Textbook, "Shepherd the Flock of God--1 Peter 5:2," that is the subject of this thread, is a copyrighted work, and the "fair use" doctrine to which reference has been made here doesn't permit the authorized use or transmission of any of the material contained in this textbook in any forum since to quote from a book that isn't available to the public is to copy another author's work to which no balancing test can be applied, and which action would constitute a violation of the copyright. This textbook is not a secret manual, for while only elders have received copies of it, ministerial servants are permitted to read it, although copies of it have been provided to just the elders. BTW, a copyright on a writing need only be declared by its author; the formal publishing of a work either in print or electronically, and distribution of it whether or not for compensation doesn't change the character of the copyright held by the copyright holder. (In the digital age, this means that it isn't always the case that a copy of a copyrighted work may be listed in a Library of Congress catalog.)

    I wanted to say a couple of things, one of them related to something that was raised here by both Simon and Lady Lee regarding the conduct of some of the folks here that have posted comments to this thread: If you care about the future of Jehovahs-Witness.net, you will not allow your angst for Jehovah's Witnesses to drive you to engage in the criminal course that you have undertaken on this website (and off!) against the copyright held by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania, the copyright holder of the new textbook that some here have been making electronic copies via PM and file sharing sites by continuing to do what you've been doing.

    For those who do not know, the publishers are the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., and the International Bible Students Association in Brooklyn, NY, USA, also known as Jehovah's Witnesses, who provides financial support for the work done by this printing corporation, which both publishes and distributes the publications distributed by Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide. While all such copyright infringement can interfere and adversely impact the work of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, including the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, the point I'm making here is that the inclusion of links to copyrighted material that one is not authorized to disseminate in writing or electronically violates the copyright held by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania.

    If you have obtained a copy, enjoy it, but you should know that you are complicit in a crime by providing a link to it in any written or electronic communication you make, and that if a federal injunction should lead to this site being temporarily unavailable to everyone here as a result of any ongoing investigation into such criminal activity on this site pursuant to a federal subpoena, it would behoove Simon to remove all PMs sent to anyone containing a link to this publication, whether that link should now be living or dead, for these PMs can and will be used against you in a court of law. If you are not now under federal subpoena, then I see no reason why you shouldn't reset all PMs as a part of normal maintenance anyway (since we cannot rid ourselves of them ourselves!), and then back up this site so that you will be in a position to confidently move this site elsewhere with the content intact (sans the suspect PMs, of course).

    I have found many of the comments made in this thread to be irresponsible. Back in 2007, the Recording Industry Association of America won a jury verdict of $220,000 against Jammie Thomas for making some 1,700 MP3s available over Kazaa, and she wasn't charging anyone any money and didn't know who it was that had downloaded any of the MP3s through Kazaa. To win damages, all RIAA had to do was match Thomas' username with her IP address. If you have any sense at all and care about Simon and this website, you will stop blatantly emailing links or electronic copies of the textbook to others, for each such email communication constitutes a criminal count, and pasting links to your posts themselves may further subject Simon to criminal liability for permitting you guys to do this without his or Lady Lee's removal of such messages as is done here when, for example, someone recently thought it would be funny to include an image of a penis to his post (as if no children at all have access to this web site).

    If anyone here should think engaging in criminal conduct like this is just harmless fun, it's not harmless, and such a lawsuit could potentially impact your family economically, exposing you to having to pay legal fees to the attorney you are forced to hire to represent you in court, and to your having to pay a sizeable jury award for copyright infringement. If anyone here has a hatred for Jehovah's Witnesses, I think one should sever their relationship with Jehovah's Witnesses and leave its ranks, and maybe join some other church group (or not!), and throw away those NWTs and other WTS publications from which you keep quoting here so that you will not be reminded of your former association whenever you should see one of them, since these Bible translations and publications were produced by Jehovah's Witnesses primarily for use by Jehovah's Witnesses anyway in connection with their beliefs and their evangelization work, although they are currently still being made available to the public by Jehovah's Witnesses (but probably not for too many more years).

    @djeggnog

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    Be careful people.

    I think the WT must have known this would be inevitable though.

  • Listener
    Listener

    While all such copyright infringement can interfere and adversely impact the work of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, including the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

    Then maybe it shouldn't have been written.

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    There may or may not be Bethelites assigned to monitor this site. I don't know.

    But I would be very surprised if one of our resident apologists DIDN'T call Bethel when they have a specific 'breach' documented.

    They probably got several calls.

    -Aude.

  • just n from bethel
    just n from bethel

    DJEGNOGG:

    Thank you so much for your heartfelt concern to everyone here. I know you would absolutely hate to see sites like this face any kind of trouble, not to mention the sincere truth-seeking apostates that frequent here. Everyone is so thankful for your timely reminders. You have truly saved many of us from much pain and sufferring. We appease you as a faithful watchtower rep to please absolve us of our sins.

    But since we're discussing technicalities here, lets look at your "conjectures":

    YOU SAID for each such email communication constitutes a criminal count

    FYI, US law and other jurisdictions that are obliged to the DMCA laws do not apply to every poster here. Many of the people receiving and forwarding information are not bound by your limited borders that you're trying to impose.

    Now as for what you deem as moral implications, you said: If anyone here should think engaging in criminal conduct like this is just harmless fun, it's notharmless

    Care to elaborate: How exactly does this harm anyone (I'm not talking about those that you imply the Watchtower will sue and try to hurt financially with all the court costs, etc.)? Seriously - how does this harm anyone? Do you mean to say that it embarasses the Watchtower? If so, why? Is there something embarrassing about the contents or does it solely expose their claim of being God's chosen religion as ridiculous? Seriously - back up your claim that this is harmful - prove it.

    Finally, your ending long sentence just kind of rambles and is so lacking in adequate grammar nobody could ever tell what you're trying to say. I mean you're obviously upset and crying while you type - maybe you could just use a hug. But we gotta know: what do you mean by stating that publications probably won't be made available to the public after "too many more years"?

    Your feeble attempt at dialogue shows quite a lack of education on your part. You're quite inconsistent in your train of thought and obviously have never learned to comunicate properly. You should also brush up on your international intellectual property law and start providing actual case law if you want to tell people all over the globe how to behave. Moreover, never forget what this is really about with you and why you're being a crybaby: you're just pissed off that elders appointed by holy spirit have seen fit to share information that you want supressed.

    PS - China's internet censoring department just called and was wondering when you could start - they said you're the perfect candidate.

  • Listener
    Listener

    It would make an interesting case if the accused (the person copying regligious matter) fought on the basis of freedom of religion, that definition being

    Freedom of religion is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance; the concept is generally recognized also to include the freedom to change religion or not to follow any religion. [ 1 ] The freedom to leave or discontinue membership in a religion or religious group —in religious terms called "apostasy" —is also a fundamental part of religious freedom.

    Freedom of religion is considered by many people and nations to be a fundamentalhuman right. [ 2 ] [ 3 ] Thomas Jefferson said (1807) "among the inestimable of our blessings, also, is that ...of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; ..." [ 4 ]

    In a country with a state religion, freedom of religion is generally considered to mean that the government permits religious practices of other sects besides the state religion, and does not persecute believers in other faiths. For a current overview, see section Contemporary situation of religious freedom in the world.

  • fokyc
    fokyc

    djeggnog says: This textbook is not a secret manual, for while only elders have received copies of it, ministerial servants are permitted to read it, although copies of it have been provided to just the elders.

    I must disagree; ONLY Elders are allowed a copy and only Elders are allowed access to it.

    As no income can be or will ever be derived from this book, litigation would have little benefit.

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