by mentallyfree31 113 Replies latest watchtower bible
Alice
The document also confirms many of the details recorded in Ezra 1:2-4, in which Cyrus the Great decreed that the Israelites could return to Judea from captivity to rebuild the temple in 537 BCE.
They were already back in 538 BC. If you believe otherwise, take up the challenge in the thread below and make point-by-point refutations of Alan's arguments. I would love to see what you come up with.
Cheers
Chris
aiw: did you even bother to read the whole posts?
potentially Satanically influenced
Yes all archaeologist finding were created by Satan's influence and therefore should be disregarded.
All museum curators are also Satan influenced, as well as archaeologists themselves..
The Babylonians who scribed on to clay tablets specific events and dates were also Satan influenced.
The people comprehending the information about the over throw of ancient Jerusalem, here and
elsewhere all over the world are all under Satan's influence.
So thanks AIW for clearing that up for us.
You can't pick and choose which secular dates you THINK are correct, there is more evidence for 586 than there is for 538 and yet, the WT is ok with 538, why?
The same type of evidence that they use to "refute" 586 would refute 538.
The Egibi business tablets, which consiste of the detailed banking records of the Egibi bank, allow the reconstruction of the Neo-Babylonian king list, and the duration of each reign.
It is very interesting and telling that The Watchtower has NEVER mentioned the name "Egibi."
It would open a line of evidence and reasoning that they could not intelligently refute.
It would open a line of evidence and reasoning that they could not intelligently refute.
Thats a good point, the WTS. will and would only use information that would support their preselected doctrinal dogma.
All other information is Satan inspired and not to be consumed.
There two apposing positions in this debate one side examines records of kingship and reign of Babylon,
wi th the addition of tablets scribed for high ranking official of Babylon to support dating and the other side
that the JWS take is theoretical hearsay from produced by clerics or spiritual seers of the Israelites.
I'd bank on the archaeologists findings to chronologically actual events myself.
The WTS likes to image themselves as the true FDSL with god's spirit as their solemn guidance, so paying respect
to information that only supports themselves in self serving way.
This individual here is an elder that has conducted extensive study into New Babylonian chronology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Furuli
Rolf Johan Furuli (born 19 December 1942 is a lecturer in Semitic languages at the University of Oslo.
He is currently involved in translation of non-Christian religious texts, and is considered an expert in ancient languages. In 2005, he finished a doctoral thesis suggesting a new understanding of Classical Hebrew. This study has been privately published.
Furuli started his studies of New Babylonian chronology in 1984. Based on these studies, he has attempted to defend the view held by Jehovah's Witnesses—of which Furuli is a member—that Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians in 607 BC rather than 587 BC.
Alongside Norwegian, English and Hebrew, he is able to read Akkadian, Aramaic and Greek. He has written works about Bible translation and Biblical issues.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/Chronlgy.htm
The witness of the cuneiform tablets related to the New Babylonian kings will be thoroughly discussed in volume II. The astronomical evidence of this period is meager indeed, though specific, and it will be discussed in the light of the three criteria mentioned above. It is particularly important to come to grips with the astronomical diary VAT 4956. As of present I have reviewed data from about 7.000 business tablets from the New Babylonian Empire. There are so many tablets that are anomalous (from the point of view of the traditional chronology), that the whole scheme of P&D breaks down; each king seems to have ruled longer than P&D says. This material will be systemized and interpreted. An important question that will be scrutinized, is whether one whole Saros period of 18 years somehow was lost in the New Babylonian era in the theoretical Saros schemes that were used in the 2nd century B.C.E., to the effect that the New Babylonian dynasty of kings existed 18 years longer than P&D says. There are several original inscriptions from this period as well, some containing information that is contradicted by others. The result of a study of these will also be presented.
A word of caution
Ancient history cannot be proven, because there are no living informants. And any attempt to make a chronological scheme of the kings of ancient nations is tentative. The Oslo chronology does not claim to represent the final word of the matter, but it represents a new approach to chronology. It does not generally challenge the interpretations and datings of astronomical tablets by experts such as Sachs, Hunger, Watson, Steel, and Brack-Bernsen, but it asks about the origin and quality of the tablets in question, thus scrutinizing the connection between the dates and regnal years of real kings. Its advantage is that the cuneiform data are not seen through the glasses of the traditional chronology, but the evidence of each tablet is presented in its own right. It is also an advantage that published cuneiform sources are much more numerous and much more complete than was the case 50 years ago when Parker and Dubberstein did their work. The real importance of the Oslo chronology, therefore, is not that it has established "the only true chronology", but that it has demonstrated that neither the accepted chronology which is based on P&D is "the only true chronology" .
The early Bible students made an objective decision about the 1914 prophecy based on the best information that was at their disposal. There's solid archeology that confirms 537 as the date of the Jew's release from Babylonian captivity. The grand theme of the Bible does not revolve around the 1914 prophesy, nor does tentative history disprove God's inspired word and its harmonious theme. There's a bigger picture to be considered.
Alice, looking over your posts, it seems that you are saying that your whole religion is based on dates from clay tablets from Babylon. Doesn't it bother you to have a Babylonish religion?
The grand theme of the Bible does not revolve around the 1914 prophesy, nor does tentative history disprove God's inspired word and its harmonious theme. There's a bigger picture to be considered.
Where in the bible ( God's inspired word ) does it say that the FDSL will be given a calculable time of Christ return ?
The WTS exploits and manipulates the bible for its own assertive means curtailing of course around their published literature,
a great way to bring relevance and viability to their own writings . ......sorry didn't mean to over tell the truth !
The WTS feels it as the solemn right to go beyond what is written and not be in subjection to the words in the bible.
Of course it would be wrongfully presumptuous to say the writers of the bible embellished stories to
self sanctify themselves as spiritual seers since they were sinless perfect men.
"Where in the bible ( God's inspired word ) does it say that the FDSL will be given a calculable time of Christ return ?
The WTS exploits and manipulates the bible for its own assertive means curtailing of course around their published literature,
a great way to bring relevance and viability to their own writings . ......sorry didn't mean to over tell the truth !
The WTS feels it as the solemn right to go beyond what is written and not be in subjection to the words in the bible.
Of course it would be wrongfully presumptuous to say the writers of the bible embellished stories to
self sanctify themselves as spiritual seers since they were sinless perfect men."
There's nothing wrong with being definitive in studies of the Bible. You really shouldn't refer to disagreements of scriptural interpretation as “exploits and manipulates the bible for its own assertive means.” There's not a profit motive for any prophetic teachings the WTS brings to the attention of others. For whatever reason their teachings aren't for you. It's puzzling to me why anyone is bothered if others are happy being one of JW anymore than someone is happy playing golf.
