Proof texts that Jesus was, and is, God. Any ideas?

by jonathan dough 78 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  jonathan dough

  Can anyone add to this list of links?

  20) Proof texts that Jesus was, and is, God.

  21) Phillip said to Jesus: Show us the Father - (John 14:8-10)

  22) Jesus Christ resurrected Himself - (John 2:19 - 22)

  23) The heavenly resurrected Jesus is identified as Almighty God and the “First and the Last” because there can be only one “First and Last” and one “Alpha and Omega” and Jesus assumed both titles.

  24) The Father and I are one - (John 10:27-30)

  25) There is only one Savior who grants eternal salvation, and both the divine Person of Christ and God are that Savior.

  26) Jesus is “master” and absolute ruler - (Despotes); a separate Christ and a separate God cannot both exercise this role - (2 Peter 2:1; Jude 4)

  27) The eternal Christ was not created - (Isaiah 9:6)

  28) “Let us make man in our image” was not directed to Jesus the created master craftsman working beside the Creator, but was self-communication within the triune God - (Genesis 1:26)

  29) The fullness of the Godhead dwells inseparably in Jesus - (Colossians 2:9); He is the very imprint of God’s being - (Hebrews 1:3)

  30) Prior to His incarnation Christ subsisted in the form (morphe) of God - (Philippians 2:6)

  31) The Word, Christ, was the firstborn of all creation, but not in the sense of being created - (Colossians 1:15)

  32) The Word was “begotten,” but not made, not created - (John 1:14)

  33) The Messiah of the Old Testament stems from eternity - (Micah 5:2; Proverbs 8:22)

  34) The Almighty says of Jesus “Your throne, Oh God, is forever and ever” - (Hebrews 1:8, 9)

  35) Thomas called the resurrected Jesus “My Lord and my God” - (John 20:26 - 29)

  36) Jesus refers to Himself as the “I AM,” which is God’s own self-designation - (John 8:58)

  37) And the Word was God - (John 1:1)

  38) The Holy Spirit is the divine third Person of the Holy Trinity.

  46) Jesus Christ is not Michael the Archangel as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.
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  yesidid

  JD!

  Were you ever a Jehovah's Witness?

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  glenster

  By a conservative interpretation of the Bible, both sides say something for
  all the verses. "Proof" verses are usually offered by someone who only knows
  what one side says (although I haven't read a real good reason for Stephen not
  to say he meant he saw archangel Michael in human form to avoid becoming Stephen
  puree, among other things). I would go over what all those things are and weigh
  them for which has the better case for which was intended (the mainstream view).
  What I have on it is on pp.6b to 10 at the next link.
  http://gtw6437.tripod.com/id18.html
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  Blue Grass

  21) I thought no one has ever seen God? (John 1:18)

  22) That would mean he was never dead, in which the Bible would be contradicting itself.

  23) That's completely false. Jesus is never identified as Almighty God.

  24) Just as Jesus and his disciples are one.

  25) Not sure what your saying here.

  26) I have no idea of what your talking about.

  27) Than what does "begotten" mean?

  28) A very odd assumption.

  29) So how can God be greater than him. (John 14:28)

  30) You're stretching that verse pretty far.

  31) Than what does Revelation 3:14 mean?

  32) Perhaps you can explain the difference.

  33) Re-read Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14

  34) We all agree that Jesus is a God

  35) I really don't feel like explaining the Nominative and Vocative voices in Greek (maybe someone else can) but Thomas wasn't calling Jesus Lord or God.

  36) There is no such thing as the "I AM"

  37) The word was God, the Word became flesh and was seen by many, but yet no one ever saw God. Perhaps you could explain.

  38) Complete nonsense, as the Holy Spirit is not a person. God or Jesus never spoke to the holy spirit and Stephen only saw the Father and Son when he was being stoned.

  46) This isn't relevant.
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  Chalam

  Can anyone add to this list of links?

  Isn't that enough?!

  Remember, the righteous live by faith, not by proof Romans 1:17 Galatians 3:11

  Case in point, Blue Grass has no faith in Jesus

  23) That's completely false. Jesus is never identified as Almighty God.

  If you look at the statement if refers to

  23) The heavenly resurrected Jesus is identified as Almighty God and the “First and the Last” because there can be only one “First and Last” and one “Alpha and Omega” and Jesus assumed both titles.

  Jesus is identified as Almighty God because He is the "First and the Last" and the "Alpha and the Omega", exact same titles as the Father Revelation 1:17 Revelation 2:8 Revelation 22:13

  You can see Jesus is God at ever turn, old testament and new.

  Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)

  6 For to us a child is born,
  to us a son is given,
  and the government will be on his shoulders.
  And he will be called
  Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
  Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

  Isaiah 7:14 (New International Version)

  14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

  Matthew 1:23 (New International Version)

  23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"—which means, "God with us."

  JWs need revelation, just like Peter received Matthew 16:16-18

  Then the Holy Spirit will give them all the "proof texts" they need

  John 15:26 (New International Version)

  26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

  All the best,

  Stephen
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  designs

  The Trinitarian Fundamentalists show up trying to trap Witnesses in transition with theological quicksand.

  'Love me or I will torture you for all eternity'
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  Chalam

  OK designs,

  1. Do you believe in God?

  2. Do you believe the bible is inspired by God?

  3. Do you believe in a in-errant bible?

  4. Do you believe Jesus is God or "a god"?

  Here are some more advanced questions.

  A. What is "Armageddon"?

  B. Who will be "resurrected"?

  C. What is the "second death"?

  D. What determines my part in the above?

  Anyhow, looking forward to your answers.

  All the best,

  Stephen
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  designs

  Stephen you poor superstitious guy sucked in by a lot of oogabooga. The only thing that matters about you is that you actually believe in a cruel Supreme Being. Work on that one before you try and convert others to your nonsense.
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  Chalam

  Looks like you have no answers then?

  1. Do you believe in God?

  2. Do you believe the bible is inspired by God?

  3. Do you believe in a in-errant bible?

  4. Do you believe Jesus is God or "a god"?

  Here are some more advanced questions.

  A. What is "Armageddon"?

  B. Who will be "resurrected"?

  C. What is the "second death"?

  D. What determines my part in the above?

  I assume you aren't following the bible?

  1 Peter 3:15 (New International Version)

  15 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

  All the best,

  Stephen
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  designs

  The followers of fear, you got sucked in.

  Quicksand