Confirmed! Watchtower Feb 15 08 brings the "generation" change

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  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    I left out the conclusion of the second 95 article which might offer them a very thin thread to grasp (wait and see):

    Righteous

    "NewHeavensandaNewEarth"

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    Concerning ‘all these things that must occur’ Jesus said: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away." (Matthew 24:34, 35) Jesus likely had in mind the "heaven and earth"—the rulers and the ruled—of "this generation." The apostle Peter used similar words in referring to "the heavens and the earth that are now," which are "stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men." He next describes how "Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the [governmental] heavens will pass away" together with a corrupt human society, or "earth," and its sinful works. The apostle then exhorts us to "holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, [as we are] awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens being on fire will be dissolved and the elements being intensely hot will melt!" What follows? Peter turns our attention to ‘new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness is to dwell.’—2 Peter 3:7, 10-13.

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    Those "new heavens," the Kingdom rule by Christ Jesus and his associate kings, will shower blessings on the righteous "new earth" society of mankind. Are you a prospective member of that society? If so, you have reason to exult over the grand future in store!—Isaiah 65:17-19; Revelation 21:1-5.

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    Yes, a righteous "generation" of mankind is even now being gathered. Today the anointed "faithful and discreet slave" is providing divine education in line with the words of Psalm 78:1, 4: "Do give ear, O my people, to my law; incline your ear to the sayings of my mouth . . . , relating them even to the generation to come, the praises of Jehovah and his strength and his wonderful things that he has done." (Matthew 24:45-47) On April 14 of this year, in more than 75,500 congregations and in some 230 lands, over 12,000,000 persons around the earth attended the Memorial of Christ’s death. Were you among them? May you rest your faith on Christ Jesus and ‘call on the name of Jehovah for salvation.’—Romans 10:10-13.

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    "The time left is reduced," said the apostle Paul. It is time, therefore, to keep ever awake and busy in Jehovah’s work, as we endure trials and hatreds imposed by a wicked generation of mankind. (1 Corinthians 7:29; Matthew 10:22; 24:13, 14) Let us keep on the watch, observing all the things foretold in the Bible to come upon "this generation." (Luke 21:31-33) By escaping these things and by standing with divine approval before the Son of man, we may at last attain to the prize of everlasting life.

    It will be acrobatic, but they are experts at it. And above all they have such a nice audience.

  • uninformed
    uninformed

    another fine serving of shit in due season.

    Brant

  • Awakened07
    Awakened07

    A good thing about this latest change, is that they have previously - in a QFR I think - argued against it in detail; against the idea that the anointed can be 'this generation'. In a previous thread on this new light, someone posted a quote from such an article, but I don't remember which magazine it was from.

  • observador
    observador
    argued against it in detail; against the idea that the anointed can be 'this generation'.

    Isn't that amusing?

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    I haven't followed the previous discussion, but there's indeed a QFR in the same (11/1,95) Watchtower issue:

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    1 Peter 2:9 , the King James Version calls anointed Christians "a chosen generation." Should this affect our view of Jesus ’ use of "generation" recorded at Matthew 24:34?

    The word "generation" does appear in the rendering of both passages in certain translations. According to the KingJamesVersion, the apostle Peter wrote: "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light." And Jesus foretold: "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."—1 Peter 2:9; Matthew 24:34.

    In the former passage, the apostle Peter used the Greek word ge´nos, whereas in the text of Jesus’ statement, we find ge·ne·a´. These two Greek words may appear to be similar, and they are linked to a common root; yet, they are different words, and they have different meanings. The NewWorldTranslationoftheHolyScriptures—WithReferences says in a footnote to 1 Peter 2:9: "‘Race.’ Gr., ge´nos; different from ge·ne·a´, ‘generation,’ as in Mt 24:34." A corresponding footnote is found to Matthew 24:34.

    As those footnotes indicate, ge´nos is appropriately translated by the English word "race," as commonly found in English versions. At 1 Peter 2:9, Peter applied the prophecy found at Isaiah 61:6 to anointed Christians with the heavenly hope. These are drawn from many nations and tribes, but natural backgrounds are put behind them as they become part of the nation of spiritual Israel. (Romans 10:12; Galatians 3:28, 29; 6:16; Revelation 5:9, 10) Peter identified them as becoming, in a spiritual sense, a distinct group—"a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession."

    But in the Greek text of Jesus’ words found at Matthew 24:34, we find the word ge·ne·a´. It is widely recognized that Jesus was referring, not to any "race" of people, but to the people living at a certain period of time.

    Almost a hundred years ago, Charles T. Russell, first president of the Watch Tower Society, made this clear, writing: "Although the words ‘generation’ and ‘race’ may be said to come from a common root or starting point, yet they are not the same; and in Scriptural usage the two words are quite distinct. . . . In the three different records of this prophecy our Lord is credited with using a wholly different Greek word (genea) which does not mean race, but has the same significance as our English word generation. Other uses of this Greek word (genea) prove that it is not used with the significance of race, but in reference to people living contemporaneously."—TheDayofVengeance, pages 602-3.

    More recently, AHandbookontheGospelofMatthew (1988), designed for Bible translators, said: "[The NewInternationalVersion] translates thisgeneration literally but follows with a footnote, ‘Or race.’ And one New Testament scholar believes that ‘Matthew means not just the first generation after Jesus but all the generations of Judaism that reject him.’ However, there is no linguistic evidence to substantiate either of these conclusions, and they must be brushed aside as attempts to avoid the obvious meaning. In its original setting the reference was solely to Jesus’ own contemporaries."

    As discussed on pages 10 to 15, Jesus condemned the generation of Jews of his time, his contemporaries who rejected him. (Luke 9:41; 11:32; 17:25) He often used qualifiers such as "wicked and adulterous," "faithless and twisted," and "adulterous and sinful" in describing that generation. (Matthew 12:39; 17:17; Mark 8:38) When Jesus used "generation" for the last time, he was on the Mount of Olives with four apostles. (Mark 13:3) Those men, who were not yet anointed with spirit nor part of a Christian congregation, certainly did not constitute either a "generation" or a race of people. They were, though, very familiar with Jesus’ use of the term "generation" in referring to his contemporaries. So they logically would understand what he had in mind when he mentioned "this generation" for the last time. The apostle Peter, who was present, thereafter urged Jews: "Get saved from this crooked generation."—Acts 2:40.

    We have often published evidence that many things Jesus foretold in this same discourse (such as wars, earthquakes, and famines) were fulfilled between his uttering the prophecy and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. Many, but not all. There is no evidence, for example, that after the Romans attacked Jerusalem (66-70 C.E.) "the sign of the Son of man" appeared, causing "all the tribes of the earth" to beat themselves. (Matthew 24:30) Hence, that fulfillment between 33 C.E. and 70 C.E. must have been merely an initial one, not the full or large-scale fulfillment to which Jesus was also pointing.

    In the introduction to his translation of Josephus’ work TheJewishWar, G. A. Williamson writes: "The disciples, Matthew tells us, had asked [Jesus] a double question—about the destruction of the Temple and about His own final coming—and He gave them a double answer, the first part of which most vividly foretold the occurrences destined to be so fully described by Josephus."

    Yes, in the initial fulfillment, "this generation" evidently meant the same as it did at other times—the contemporaneous generation of unbelieving Jews. That "generation" would not pass away without experiencing what Jesus foretold. As Williamson commented, this proved true in the decades leading up to Jerusalem’s destruction, as an eyewitness historian, Josephus, described.

    In the second or larger fulfillment, "this generation" would logically also be the contemporaneous people. As the article beginning on page 16 establishes, we need not conclude that Jesus was referring to a set number of years making up a "generation."

    On the contrary, two key things can be said about any time implied by "generation." (1) A generation of people cannot be viewed as a period having a fixed number of years, as is the case with time designations meaning a set number of years (decade or century). (2) The people of a generation live for a relatively brief period, not one of great length.

    Consequently, when the apostles heard Jesus refer to "this generation," what would they think? While we, with the benefit of hindsight, know that Jerusalem’s destruction in the "great tribulation" came 37 years later, the apostles hearing Jesus could not know that. Rather, his mention of "generation" would have conveyed to them, not the idea of a period of great length, but the people living over a relatively limited period of time. The same is true in our case. How fitting, then, are Jesus’ follow-up words: "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. . . . On this account you too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that you do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming."—Matthew 24:36, 44.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Re-reading the last QFR leads me to another question. From observador's excerpt, doesn't the reference to the "lightning" ( os fiéis irmãos ungidos de Cristo, a atual classe de João, reconhecem esse sinal como se fosse um relâmpago e entendem seu real significado) suggest that the WT interprets the "sign of the Son of Man" as something already present and discerned by the "anointed," instead of future? Is that "new" too?

  • lalliv01
    lalliv01

    So, did they, the anointed, just place a curse on themselves?

    Good points observador,Dagney,Narkissos, et al.

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    There's been mention of how this generation teaching can enable the GB spin out the end for as long as they want. But it can also work for the GB interests in that, if there are going to be 'anointed' on earth when the GT breaks out, there is no point in using the partaker numbers as an indicator of how far away or close the end is. IOW they can continue to whip up momentum by telling the flock the end is very, very soon, that they really feel it is so close now (as they have been doing recently).

  • edmond dantes
    edmond dantes

    Meanwhile at the New World Society annual disco and dinner the record by Chubby Checker can now be heard playing while the Governing Body take to the floor and really go or for it; " Come on everybody now clap your hands your'e looking good, I'm going to sing my song and you won't take long we gotta do the twist and it goes like this."

    Let's twist again like we did last summer let's twist again like we did last year

    Do you remember when things were really hummin'

    Yea lets twist again, twistin' time is here.

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    Hi Narkissos

    Re-reading the last QFR leads me to another question. From observador's excerpt, doesn't the reference to the "lightning" ( os fiéis irmãos ungidos de Cristo, a atual classe de João, reconhecem esse sinal como se fosse um relâmpago e entendem seu real significado) suggest that the WT interprets the "sign of the Son of Man" as something already present and discerned by the "anointed," instead of future? Is that "new" too?

    They've long taught that about the 'lightning' part. Although the sign of the Son of Man is different - future.

    ***

    ka (1973) chap.16.pp.320-322.pars.59-62.CompletionoftheForetold"Sign"Nears***

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    "Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned you. Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it. For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence [pa·rou·si´a] of the Son of man will be. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together."—Matthew 24:23-28.

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    Better than anyone else on earth, Jesus "the Son of man" knew how he would accomplish his coming and presence. He would not locate himself either "here" or "there" or in any particular spot on the earth. He would not put in an appearance in some isolated place, "in the wilderness," so that Messiah seekers should resort to him out there away from observation by the governmental authorities of the land, so that they could train under his leadership out there and prepare to strike a political blow, a coupd’etat, and install him as the Messianic Ruler of the world. (Acts 5:36, 37; compare 1 Samuel 22:1, 2.) Neither would he conceal himself in some "inner chambers," his location being known to only a select few, that there unobserved and undetected he might conspire and draw up secret plans with accomplices for overturning the world government and have himself anointed as the promised Messiah. (Compare 2 Kings 9:4-14.) To the contrary of this, there was to be nothing to hide about Jesus’ having come as King and beginning his royal presence.

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    His presence or parousia was to resemble the lightning as to its effects. His parousia was to be like the lightning, not in flashing suddenly, unexpectedly and in the fraction of a second. The emphasis here is not on the lightning’s striking instantaneously unannounced, but on its shining over a broad area, from eastern parts to western parts. (Luke 17:24) The lightning’s illuminative power is like that described in Psalm 97:4: "His lightnings lighted up the productive land; the earth saw and came to be in severe pains." So, too, the inhabitants of the earth were not to be left in darkness respecting the parousia of the Son of man. From horizon to horizon all the people were to be enlightened concerning his regal parousia. It was to be made as public as is a flash of lightning by its illuminative power, its far-extended shining. To Christ’s disciples today, who are acquainted with his invisible parousia, his words to his apostles nineteen centuries ago apply:

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    "Therefore do not fear them; for there is nothing covered over that will not become uncovered, and secret that will not become known. What I tell you in the darkness, say in the light; and what you hear whispered, preach from the housetops."—Matthew 10:26, 27.

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    w89.6/15.p.8.WhentheSonofManIsRevealed***

    It is probably after the Pharisees leave that Jesus talks further with his disciples about the coming of the Kingdom. He has particularly in mind his future presence in Kingdom power when he warns: "People will say to you, ‘See there!’ or, ‘See here!’ Do not go out or chase after [these false Messiahs]. For even as the lightning, by its flashing, shines from one part under heaven to another part under heaven, so the Son of man will be." Hence, just as lightning is seen over a wide area, Jesus is indicating that the evidence of his presence in Kingdom power will be clearly visible to all wishing to observe it.

    ***w93.5/1.p.12.par.10.SheddingLightonChrist’sPresence***

    10 On the contrary, there would be nothing to hide about Jesus’ having come as King, at the beginning of his royal presence. As Jesus foretold, in a global way, lightnings of Bible truth continue to flash over broad areas from eastern parts to western parts. Truly, as modern light bearers, Jehovah’s Witnesses prove to be "a light of the nations, that [Jehovah’s] salvation may come to be to the extremity of the earth."—Isaiah 49:6.

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