So by their fight in court, JW are argued the right to suicid or euthanasia for adult even if they are against this concept, and that premature are perhaps not human being even if they believe that foetus is still an human being !!!
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Charles
Quebec: the superior court autorize the transfusion of two prematures
by chasson 36 Replies latest watchtower medical
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chasson
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johnny cip
this case is just as important as the sixtuptles case. the wt is taking a beating on blood in Canada, it will only get worse. i'm surpised were not getting more comments on this new case. this is very important, and what many here have been waiting for. john
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chasson
Judgment confirmed by the court, wenesday:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070523/CPSOLEIL/70523215/6585/CPSOLEIL
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Charles
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Pistoff
This argument that the lawyers used is, to me, typical of the legalistic stance the WT is willing to take.
THEY are not saying that the babies have no right to life, but they are willing to jump on what they see as the DOCTOR'S stance that the babies have no right to life.
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Scully
Le jeudi 24 mai 2007
TRANSFUSION AUX JUMEAUX DE TÉMOINS DE JÉHOVAH
La vie avant les croyances, explique le juge
Élisabeth Fleury
Le jugement sur le fond rendu hier par le juge Jean Bouchard, de la Cour supérieure, confirme le droit du CHUQ de procéder à des tranfusions sanguines sur deux jumeaux prématurés malgré l’opposition de leurs parents témoins de Jéhovah.
Vendredi, le juge Jean Bouchard avait prononcé une ordonnance de sauvegarde autorisant le CHUQ à procéder à des transfusions sanguines sur les poupons après que leurs médecins traitants eurent démontré l’urgence de la situation.
Les Dres Sylvie Bélanger et Geneviève Piuze avaient expliqué au tribunal que les transfusions sanguines étaient nécessaires pour maintenir en vie les jumeaux, qui sont nés par césarienne jeudi dernier après 25 semaines de grossesse, et leur éviter des séquelles neurologiques graves.
Les défendeurs avaient pour leur part fait entendre le Dr David Burrows, lui même Témoin de Jéhovah. Selon le Dr Burrows, il existe des alternatives aux transfusions sanguines, dont l’érythropoïétine (EPO), une hormone qui permet d’augmenter le nombre de globules rouges dans le sang.
Un avis que ne partagent les Dres Piuze et Bélanger, qui ont affirmé devant le tribunal que l’EPO n’était pas indiquée dans le cas des jumeaux. « Le Tribunal est satisfait des explications qu’elles donnent et préfère leur opinion à celle du Dr Burrows, qui n’a pas vu ni examiné [les enfants] », écrit le juge Bouchard dans son jugement.
Fait à noter, poursuit le magistrat, le CHUQ est disposé à respecter la volonté des parents si ces derniers lui donnaient l’instruction de cesser tous les traitements. « Les Dres Bélanger et Piuze ont été très claires à ce sujet. Elles ont même précisé aux parents que dans ce cas, [les enfants] allaient mourir », écrit le juge Bouchard.
S’ils acceptent que les médecins fassent tout ce qu’il faut pour sauver la vie de leurs enfants, les parents refusent en revanche qu’ils procédent à des transfusions sanguines, une pratique qui va à l’encontre de leurs croyances religieuses.
« Dès lors que les parents prennent la décision de confier leurs enfants au CHUQ pour les soigner, ils ne peuvent tout simplement pas s’immiscer dans le protocole mis en place en tentant (...) de faire valoir leurs croyances religieuses », souligne le magistrat.
Le refus des parents de consentir aux transfusions sanguines requises par l’état de santé des jumeaux est-il justifiée ? C’est la question à laquelle devait répondre le juge Bouchard. Aux droits à la vie, à la sûreté et à l’intégrité de leurs enfants, les défendeurs ont opposé leur liberté de religion, un droit protégé par la Charte des droits et libertés de la personne.
« Même si les droits des parents et des enfants qui s’opposent en l’espèce jouissent du même statut en vertu de la Charte des droits et libertés de la personne, le tribunal ne croit pas que l’exercice des croyances des parents puisse aller jusqu’à compromettre la vie, la sûreté et l’intégrité de leurs enfants en leur refusant un traitement médical nécessaire pour lequel il n’existe aucune alternative valable », tranche le juge Bouchard, précisant que la Cour suprême du Canada avait déjà statué en ce sens dans un contexte semblable en 1995.
Au bout du fil, hier, l’avocat des défendeurs, Me Jayden MacEwan, a dit vouloir prendre le temps de lire le jugement avant de décider de le porter ou non en appel.Un jugement « troublant », selon les parents
Les parents des jumeaux transfusés considèrent le jugement « très troublant ».
Le couple a préféré ne pas nous accorder d’entrevue de vive voix, hier, mais il a accepté de nous fournir une brève déclaration par courriel.
« On nous offre de cesser tous les traitements médicaux et ainsi de laisser nos bébés mourir », écrivent les parents des poupons, faisant allusion au fait que le CHUQ serait disposé à respecter leur volonté si leur souhait était de mettre fin à l’acharnement thérapeutique en cessant tous les traitements (voir autre texte).
« Nous sommes Témoins de Jéhovah et nous aimons beaucoup nos enfants », poursuivent-ils, ajoutant que la décision du juge Jean Bouchard leur « enlève le droit d’explorer avec les médecins la possibilité de soins médicaux sans avoir recours aux transfusions ». En dépit du jugement, les parents disent espérer « trouver une bonne coopération de la part des médecins ».
« De plus, nous examinerons avec nos procureurs nos options juridiques », concluent-ils avant de remercier Le Soleil « pour cette possibilité de s’exprimer ».D'autres groupes religieux refusent des soins médicaux
Marc Allard
Les Témoins de Jéhovah ne sont pas le seul mouvement religieux à refuser certains soins médicaux. Au Canada, des malades liés à des sectes ont vu leur état s’empirer et sont même morts sans qu’un tribunal puisse intervenir.
En 1998, les Albertains Steven et Ruth Dhippy ont laissé leur fils Calahan mourir à l’âge de 14 ans parce qu’ils refusaient les traitements médicaux pour son diabète. La famille se réclamait de la secte des Followers of Christ, qui croit que la maladie se guérit par la prière et en appliquant des onguents.
Les Dhippy avaient été reconnus coupables de ne pas avoir porter secours à leur fils, mais ils avaient été acquittés de négligence criminelle.
En 1993, cinq ans après qu’une épidémie de polio ait éclatée au Canada, les autorités de la santé ont découvert 21 cas de polio sévère chez les enfants de la secte Old Netherlands Reform Church dans le sud de l’Alberta. La secte refusait d’immuniser ses terrains.
En 1983, les Ontariens Arthur et Carol Tutton avaient tué leur fils diabétique en lui retirant l’insuline. Membre d’un mouvement pentecôtiste, ils croyaient que leur fils pouvait guérir par la foi. -
Scully
Translation of article:
Thursday, May 24, 2007
TRANSFUSIONS FOR JEHOVAH'S WITNESS TWINS
Life comes before beliefs, explains judge
Élisabeth Fleury
Final judgement was rendered yesterday by Judge Jean Bouchard of the Superior Court, confirming the right of the CHUQ to proceed with blood transfusions on two premature twins, despite opposition from their Jehovah's Witness parents.
On Friday, Judge Jean Bouchard granted an order of protection authorising the CHUQ to proceed with blood transfusions for the babies after the physicians caring for them demonstrated the urgency of the situation.
Drs Sylvie Bélanger and Geneviève Piuze explained at the hearing that the blood transfusions were necessary for keeping the twins alive, who were born by cesarean section last Thursday after 25 weeks of pregnancy, and to avoid them from having grave neurological sequelae.
Speaking on behalf of the defendants was Dr David Burrows, himself a Jehovah's Witness. According to Dr Burrows, there are alternatives to blood transfusions, such as erythropoeitin (EPO), a hormone which stimulates the production and increases the number of red blood cells in the blood.
This view was not shared by Drs Piuze and Bélanger, who affirmed in front of the hearing that EPO is not indicated in the case of these twins. "The Court is satisfied with explanations given by the doctors and prefers their opinion to that of Dr Burrows, who has not even seen or examined them [the babies]," Judge Bouchard wrote in his judgment.
It is important to note, continued the judge, the CHUQ is ordered to respect the wishes of the parents if they give the instruction to cease all treatments. "Drs Bélanger and Piuze have been very clear on this subject. They have clearly stated to the parents that in that case, [the babies] will die," wrote the judge.If they accept that the doctors are doing everything that they can to save the lives of their children, yet on the other hand the parents refuse them to proceed with blood transfusions, a practice which is contrary to their religious beliefs.
Although the parents made the decision to entrust their children to CHUQ for their care, they cannot just simply become involved with [medical] protocols that have been established (...) in order to advance their religious beliefs," emphasized the judge.
Is the refusal by the parents to consent to blood transfusions that are required by the twins' health status justified? This is the question that Judge Bouchard must answer. The twins' rights to life, security and integrity of their persons, the defendants opposed on the grounds of freedom of religion, a right protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms of the Individual.
"Just as the rights of the parents are in opposition with those of the infant under the terms of the same statute of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms of the Individual, the Court does not believe that the exercise of beliefs by the parents extends to compromising the lives, security and integrity of their children which moves them to refuse a necessary medical treatment, for which there is no viable alternate," stated Judge Bouchard, noting that the Supreme Court of Canada has already ruled on this matter in a similar case in 1995.At the end of the trial, yesterday, lawyer for the defendants, Ms. Jayden MacEwan, stated that she wanted to take time to read the judgement before deciding whether to proceed with an appeal or not.
A "Troubling" Judgement, According to the Parents
The parents of the babies who received the transfusions consider the judgement "very troubling".
The couple declined to participate in a live interview yesterday, but they accepted to give us a brief statement by email.
"They offered to stop all medical treatments and thus allow our babies to die," wrote the babies' parents, alluding to the fact that CHUQ are mandated to respect their wishes to end vigorous therapeutic efforts in stopping all treatments (see other text)."We are Jehovah's Witnesses and we love our children very much," they continued, adding that the decision by Judge Bouchard "removed our right to explore with the doctors the possibility of medical treatments without the recourse of (blood) transfusions." In spite of the judgement, the parents say that they hope "to achieve good cooperation on the part of the doctors."
"In addition, we are exploring our legal options with our lawyers," they added, and then thanked Le Soleil "for the opportunity to explain (our position)."
Other Religious Groups Refusing Medical Treatments
Marc Allard
Jehovah's Witnesses are not the only religious movement that refuses certain medical treatments. In Canada, members of some sects have experienced worsening of their medical conditions, some have even died, without the intervention of the courts.In 1998, Steven and Ruth Dhippy of Alberta, allowed their son Calahan to die at the age of 14 years because they refused medical treatments for his diabetes. The family belonged to the sect the Followers of Christ, who believe that disease is cured by prayer and by the applying of ointments.
The Dhippys were found guilty of not rendering aid to their son, but they were acquitted of criminal negligence.
In 1993, five years after a polio epidemic hit Canada, health authorities found 21 severe cases of polio among children in the Old Netherlands Reform Church sect in southern Alberta. The sect refuses immunization among its members.
In 1983, Ontarians Arthur and Carol Tutton killed their diabetic son by denying him insulin. Members of a Pentacostal movement, they believe that their son would be healed by faith.
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greendawn
That's more lives saved from the demonic insanity of the WTS leaders, when those babies grow up they will no doubt come to hate the org that wanted them dead and wouldn't give them a chance to live and grateful to the judge that saved them.
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RunningMan
So, once again, the JWs publicly expose themselves for the stupid and backward organization that they are. I don't expect them to get any smarter, but one of these days, their PR department will step in and put and end to this.
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Scully
Speaking on behalf of the defendants was Dr David Burrows, himself a Jehovah's Witness. According to Dr Burrows, there are alternatives to blood transfusions, such as erythropoeitin (EPO), a hormone which stimulates the production and increases the number of red blood cells in the blood.
What irks me - even beyond the display of ignorance by the JW parents and their legal counsel - is when a doctor like Burrows tries to twist medical information to fit his religious ideology.
Anyone can read a basic drug information book and understand that EPO's effect is NOT instantaneous in delivering red blood cells into the circulation, which is what these babies require. It can take 2 to 6 weeks before an increase in hemoglobin and hematocrit levels is achieved. Additionally, the product monograph contains the following WARNING:
WARNINGS
Pediatrics
Risk in Premature Infants
The multidose preserved formulation contains benzyl alcohol. Benzyl alcohol has been reported to be associated with an increased incidence of neurological and other complications in premature infants which are sometimes fatal.
What Burrows is essentially asking these parents to do is to entrust their babies to the WTS' quackery and allow them to become guinea pigs for medical testing purposes.
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Mary
"The question that must be asked is: 'Can we say that in the eyes of the law, they (the twins) have the right to life as human beings?'" asked Ms. MacEwan. The remarks surprised Judge Bouchard: "Are you trying to say that at 25 weeks, these children are not human beings?"
Question No. 1: Where in god's name does the Society get these IDIOT lawyers from? First Shane Brady, then Brumley and now this bimbo. Do they not realize how STUPID they sound? The above question is particularly nauseating in light of the Society's command against abortion, even if the mother-to-be is a 12 year old victim of incest or rape. Oh yes, all life is sacred to God----that's why we won't allow abortion, but we'll go to the Supreme Court to make sure that your premature babies die rather than take a blood transfusion. Assholes.
Ms. MacEwan explained that the doctors of the twins themselves did not consider the children as having the right to life, since they offered the parents the option to terminate resuscitation efforts and cease treatment. "In making this offer, it is as though the hospital said that the children were not viable. On one hand, the hospital was saying that they could refuse all treatments, and on the other, they were saying they cannot refuse one treatment (blood transfusions)," argued the lawyer.
Well guess what Mrs. MaGoo: when that one treatment is the only treatment that is viable, then guess what? That's the logical choice to make. EPO certainly does stimulate the bone marrow to produce more blood cells, (my father had this treatment) but I would assert that the bone marrow is most likely not sufficient in a 25 week old baby to produce enough red blood cells in time to save it's life. Therefore, the logical alternative is: a blood transfusion. Doesn't the bible say: "I want mercy, not sacrifice"?
Keep going you idiots at Bethel. You're doing far more damage to the image of the Borganization yourself, with your insane doctrines being exposed, than any ex-Witness site can.