Major OCTOBER 2006 SURPRISE: court says open ped files per silentlambs.org

by majornewsin2006 40 Replies latest jw friends

  • Alpheta
    Alpheta

    Hi Lady Liberty.

    I think that unless members of the rank and file JWs have an interest in legal proceedings against the WTBTS, its subsidiaries and the elders of various congregations named in the law suits in California (and wherever else suits may have been filed by Love and Norris, and other law firms championion the cause of the silentlambs), they WILL NOT KNOW about this ruling. I don't expect the elders to stand up and make an announcement that they "lost" a discovery motion so that they have to produce some documents and answer questions put to deponents subponaed by the plaintiffs! And, even if this unlikely thing did happen, 99.9% of the rank and file would not understand the implications of such an announcement anyway. IMHO, THIS was not the BIG ANNOUNCEMENT that was supposed to be made in October. However, it is a significant ruling, because the plaintiffs' attorneys are continuing to chip away at the wall of "legal privilege" in which the WTBTS, et al have surrounded themselves.

    Realistically, the same kinds of legal strategies and arguments that have been applied to chipping away at the secrecy surrounding the pedophile problem within the Catholic Church will be and are being used to chip away at the WTBTS wall of shame. But this is going to take years and years and years, decades, just as it took decades to get to this point in law suits against various Catholic Dioceses.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Received today-Danny this is big, we just got word from a JW in California that they are destroying congregation records about the case. We are working on a bulletin to spread on the internet to publicize this matter.

    All we can do is get the word out and try to get someone within that would be willing to testify to the extent of what is happening as well as any type of correspondence that would verify that this has been ordered from Brooklyn.

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Received today-Danny this is big, we just got word from a JW in California that they are destroying congregation records about the case. We are working on a bulletin to spread on the internet to publicize this matter.

    All we can do is get the word out and try to get someone within that would be willing to testify to the extent of what is happening as well as any type of correspondence that would verify that this has been ordered from Brooklyn.

    Oh MY GOODNESS!!!

    I KNEW IT!!! THEOCRATIC WAREFARE at its best!! I cannot even say on here how pissed I am if this is true!

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • BlackPearl
    BlackPearl
    we just got word from a JW in California that they are destroying congregation records about the case.

    Somebody will do jail time for that!

  • blondie
    blondie

    Now suppose this proves to be true, and JWs (perhaps the elders) are destroying all the files in regard to this case, what is the penalty? And who will pay the penalty, the elders?

    If it proves to be true, it reminds me of when the Jewish religious leaders, although recognizing Jesus was the foretold Messiah, were ready to kill him or have him killed to protect their positions and status with the Roman government.

    Blondie

  • Mary
    Mary
    Now suppose this proves to be true, and JWs (perhaps the elders) are destroying all the files in regard to this case, what is the penalty? And who will pay the penalty, the elders?

    I believe it's called Obstruction of Justice and they could be looking at 3 - 5 in The Big House. However, it would have to be proven that they've actually shredded the damning documents. I don't put anything past the Legal Department or the WTS in general, and hopefully, someone with a conscience would be willing to testify in court that these documents were indeed destroyed.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Shredding the documents?

    Lets see - if I'm not mistaken and any ex-elders and lurking elders should be able to back it up -

    - elders (at least 2 or more) investigate allegations - if evidence is found to prove allegations, then it goes to a judicial committee - notes are taken at the judicial committee in regards to who said what, counsel given, a complete summary of events including the accusers name(s) and these notes are then handed over to the chairman at the end of the meeting - the chairman puts the notes in manilla envelope and seals it, identifying the records inside with the date, judicial committee names and the person they met with on the outside - the envelope is filed in the local hall office. If the person is disfellowshipped then the chairman puts together a synopsis of what happened and discloses the names of everyone involved - this includes the accuser and the accused - this record is then sent to headquarters for their files.

    If one is reproved and not disfellowshipped for some offences (and I believe pedophilia/molestation are two), then a form would be filled out with at least the reason why the person was reproved and in certain instances, the full details would be disclosed ie the accuser/accused.

    Therefore, if there is a database of names that silent lambs has that gives the names of all those victims, then there are back up records for each of those people. The records go back to the congregration which contain the notes, elders, CO's etc and include dates and so on. If the records are followed backward and suddenly the Watchtower says there are no records, then it becomes obvious that they have been destroyed. No one destroys records except by order of the Society and since the Society will not put any direction in print, this would be a verbal order handed down by the CO, DO or the Society itself..................................sammieswife.

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Hi Lady Liberty.

    I think that unless members of the rank and file JWs have an interest in legal proceedings against the WTBTS, its subsidiaries and the elders of various congregations named in the law suits in California (and wherever else suits may have been filed by Love and Norris, and other law firms championion the cause of the silentlambs), they WILL NOT KNOW about this ruling. I don't expect the elders to stand up and make an announcement that they "lost" a discovery motion so that they have to produce some documents and answer questions put to deponents subponaed by the plaintiffs! And, even if this unlikely thing did happen, 99.9% of the rank and file would not understand the implications of such an announcement anyway.

    Dear Alpheta,

    I guess what I meant was not that the "Big Announcement" possibly was coming from within, but that it was coming from the outside. I agree, I do not feel they would open themselvees up for interrigation by making an announcement from the halls. But maybe they knew this was coming, and that they were somehow trying to prepare for it??

    We all know it doesn't take long for news to travel especially in the Borg. Any news, can become BIG news if the right people get ahold of the information. Not to mention any victims and their families who are still Witnesses in California.

    Just a thought.

    SIncerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • DannyHaszard
  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Silentlambs ALERT! *A cry for help to all men of conscience in the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses The recent court rulings in NAPA California have given authorities the right to access congregation judicial files that contain any information that provides evidence of the crime of child abuse. Yesterday silentlambs received a report from California. A Jehovah’s Witness on the internet revealed that “the elders in their family were very angry as they believed their religious rights were being taken away.” They also went on to reveal “the elders were destroying the records in the NAPA Congregations” to stop the judicial system from accessing material that might further convict Jehovah’s Witness child molesters. This is something that silentlambs feels is a very real threat and possibly happening as we speak. The comment above suggests that elders in California are committing criminal acts to protect child molesters. It is defined as obstruction of justice to destroy evidence of criminal behavior. This is verified by the directives in the 1989 body of elder letter that states; “The legal consequences of a breach of confidentiality by the elders can be substantial. If the elders fail to follow the Society's direction carefully in handling confidential matters, such mistakes could result in successful litigation by those offended. Substantial monetary damages could be assessed against the elders or congregation. In some cases where the authorities are involved, certain complications could lead to a fine or imprisonment. These possibilities underscore the need for elders to be discerning and to follow carefully directions provided by the Society.” “At any time an elder is confronted with a search warrant (whether given advance notice or not) , the elder should first ask to read the warrant. After reading it he should ask if he can call for legal guidance and then call the Society's Legal Department. If for some reason the Legal Department cannot be contacted, the elders involved should make every effort to obtain the assistance of a local attorney for the purpose of protecting the confidentiality of the records. It may be impossible to stop determined officers from conducting the search authorized by the warrant. Conscientious elders will want to do all they reasonably and peaceably can to preserve the confidentiality of the congregation in harmony with the principle set out in Acts 5:29. “ “Subpoenas may be issued by a court or in some cases by a governmental agency or an attorney. If an elder receives a subpoena, he should contact the Society's Legal Department immediately. Never turn over records, notes, documents, or reveal any confidential matter sought by subpoena without receiving direction from the Legal Department.” You can read the letter in its entirety at this link, http://www.reexamine.org/BOE/1989-07-01.pdf As you will note from the above directives elders are advised to not cooperate with legal authorities but instead act at the direction of the Legal Department. What does the Legal Department advise? Note the comment made in a 01/01/01 letter to all Bodies of Elders in the United Kingdom when the government attempted to access judicial files; “Between March and August 2000 circuit overseers discussed with bodies of elders how to bring personal and congregation files in line with the Data Protection Act. By now you should have followed all the instructions contained in the "Checklist for Complying With the Data Protection Act”. This involved the destruction of most judicial records, minutes and agendas of elders' meetings that contained personal information, letters of introduction, correspondence relating to individuals, and so forth.” You can read this letter at this link, http://www.silentlambs.org/education/1101boe.cfm If the judicial files had of been retained it could have provided the written evidence for legal and criminal actions for authorities to act upon. This letter exploited a legal loop hole to prevent that from happening. The evidence shows that the Jehovah’s Witnesses Legal Department will go to any deception to protect the Watchtower Corporation and use local congregation elders to accomplish their dirty work. We greatly appreciate the help of certain courageous elders. For example, the murder letter was sent by one brave former elder, the 4-25-01boe media letter by another elder who wanted to help, the British body of elder letter cited above by another gutsy elder was moved let everyone know. These persons were moved to do something and it has been of great assistance. With the events unfolding above we need this assistance once again. This matter is not about our stand; it is about what is right. Victims have spilled their guts to make this known, men in high places that have sympathy for this issue need to assist. It will not change from within, if you want to make a difference you have to stand up for what is right. This is it, the time is now, if you think you need to wait on Jehovah, how do you not know this is an effort guided by Jehovah that will succeed? When Jehu looked up at the window and asked, "Who is with me?" Those men in "high places" had to make a choice. They had to either do what they knew in their hearts was right or they could have waited on Jehovah. Sometimes you have to grab evil and throw it out the window. While we claim no special dispensation, silentlambs stands before you now and says, "Who is with us?" You men in high places have a choice to make. Support misguided people or stand up for the children. We ask no one to leave Jehovah but instead, to do what you know is right. If you have the power to make a difference and you choose to wait, can you in good conscience do this knowing that a child might suffer due to "waiting on Jehovah?" If you can assist, email silentlambs, at [email protected] or Love and Norris at [email protected] lets talk, we will protect your confidentiality as we have done many times before, let's see if together we can do something meaningful to resolve this matter. We need any written letter or directive that might indicate the destruction of records as well as any verbal instruction from any Legal Department representative or authority in the organization. Regarding any type of verbal instructions, if this could be recorded or Tran scripted as to time, place and the names of all parties present, to provide evidence of obstruction of justice. We ask each man of conscience to think about what you do from this day forward, you can make a difference and help the needed changes come quickly to protect children. We have spoken from our heart now what does your heart move you to do? Will you help the silent lambs? We await your response. *(We ask that this alert letter be delivered to all congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States)

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