OK I think the best way to go about this is make this a David vs Goliath issue. We should email every news outlet/online outlet we can think of. Attach a copy of the email sent and make some bad publicity for PBS. News channels and blogs love this type of stuff. Divert attention away from the actual copyright violation and make it a censorship issue. The big bad PBS wouldn't dare want to make the WTS look bad and there fore they have to censor our right to complain about a religion. If we work together this could be a big win.
How to get WT Comments videos back up (with Knocking section)
by Burger Time 44 Replies latest jw friends
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Tuesday
I had an idea of just everyone on this site opening a youtube account and uploading the videos. There's no way they could police a thousand different mirror sites.
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Burger Time
Oh, they can. It would take a while but they would eventually just ban IP's especially with a consorted effort like that. I think your idea was good but who knows if LEOS was serious about being in the video. Every copyright suite I have ever seen dropped is because of bad publicity. Of course if PBS does not own the rights then it might not work as individuals are much harder to deal with then corporations and the like.
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Layla33
It is a copyright violation. If he must use it, just get permission. I like the idea, but it is someone else's intellectual property and you just can't use their information, not cite and get away it.
I am willing to help V in what way I can, but we have to be realistic as well.
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LEOS
Yes, I was serious. I was seriously there for filming and I seriously don’t want my face in that video. Granted, I’m not sure how much trouble I am willing to go through in order to get it removed but I am definitely willing to email and make some calls and see what can be done. Especially if they are threatening someone else. Again, I have not seen the video. All I have been told by multiple people is that I am in the video for sure when they are showing a clip of Seth’s congregation singing. I’m not sure if I am in any other clips. I was there for that meeting, for a meeting for field service that they filmed and for a get together at Seth’s house on another occasion that they came to. I knew they would be filming at the get together that I went to but never signed any agreements. I knew they would be coming to meetings but I didn’t know which ones.
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DT
I like your ideas. I think we should make a big deal about this. At the moment, we still need some information. The videos were listed as private. Now, I can't even get that message. We need to find out if they have been removed by Youtube or will be removed soon. We also need to confirm that the directors of "Knocking" sent those threats. The one I received was from the same email address that is listed at the "Knocking" website contact page. http://www.knocking.org/getinfo.lasso
I heard that it's possible to make an email appear to come from a certain email address. Is anyone willing to email or mail the "Knocking" people to see if they will confirm these threats. They threatened to sue me, so I'm reluctant to correspond with them until I have more information. It might also be good for them to get some emails so they know that some of us are pretty upset about these threats.
V could fight a take down notice, but I doubt it would be worth it. He would have to disclose his Identity and contact information and increase his risk of being sued. The videos would still be down for an extended period of time, so he would probably have to upload edited videos anyways.
Regardless of what happens with the videos. I think it is a good idea to give this issue some publicity. I can't say if the three seconds were fair use. I don't think anyone can. The laws are vague and individual cases have to be decided in courts. I think an excellent case can be made for fair use and the court of public opinion would likely view it that way. Many people use much longer clips under the defense of fair use. I have to wonder, if three seconds isn't fair use, what is? It's not defensible to claim that you can't make any fair use of their footage. Perhaps V should have credited the source. However, credit doesn't substitute for permission. I also suspect that a credit from an "apostate" video would have only made the "Knocking" people more angry.
I'm waiting to get more information, then I will be blogging about this and link to sites and article that discuss the issues that "Knocking" chose to ignore.
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Burger Time
Yes Layla I realize it is an authentic copyright violation....but if the clips were to stay up with the violation (which would be much easier for V) the only way to do it would be to make some sort of negative media mark about it.
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Burger Time
Yes Layla I realize it is an authentic copyright violation....but if the clips were to stay up with the violation (which would be much easier for V) the only way to do it would be to make some sort of negative media mark about it.
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Burger Time
DT you should be fine emailing them back...if not I could email for you. Of course if someone here emailed for you they would need the original carbon copy of the email sent to you. I am guessing that they are who they say they are, but I am sure an agreement could be made. Also Leos I would think you could just email them threating legal action if your face is not blurred out. The worst case is they tell you they posted signs on the door which gave consent.
OK I emailed from the info page asking about it. Hopefully I will get a reply soon.
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DT
LEOS,
Welcome to JWD. It's funny that "Knocking" is making a big deal of three seconds of film while they are using video of people without permission. I don't know how strong you legal position is, but you are certainly justified in making a complaint. I wouldn't be too surprised if they offered you a small settlement to avoid other problems. I would like to hear what their response is.