Blood being refused here in my area

by AK - Jeff 18 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    The baby is known only as Baby Binn according to the news report I just saw on WANE channel 15 in Fort Wayne.

    She was born premature, and her blood count is low.

    The local liason elder - Richard Dellinger - made a couple of polite policy statements in front of a camera. He quoted Acts and said that 'the parents have taken a stand - therefore whatever the courts rule - the parents will not be held accountable by God' [or substance]. He, of course is praising that 'alternate choices' of treatment have been used. The court has already ordered that blood can be used if the baby gets to a point of life and death - if I heard the report correctly.

    I would find the video and post it - but I just saw it and doubt it is posted there yet.

    God - I am seething. These pious assholes interpret the Bible, and put an innocent child's life in jeopardy without any conscience! I know Dellinger. I perhaps know or have met the parents or the family at some point. I would like to go down there and kick their life-threatening asses right down the corridor of Dupont Hospital.

    I am too mad to say any more.

    Jeff

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Here's the link: http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/local_wane_fort_wayne_parents_fight_against_transfusion_200905272132

    Don't think the video is available yet - but I think this is the complete transcript

    Jeff

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    One of my co-workers commented on the news report about a youngster (pre-teen, I think) escaping the area with his mother after a court order that the youngster, a leukemia victim, undergo more kemotherapy. The boy and his mother returned after a week on the lamb and the boy will have the therapy. It wasn't a religious decision, but he hated the procedure and felt like it was killing him. Mom went along.

    With kemotherapy, the survival rate is 90%. Without it, he is certain to die. My co-worker said that people should be able to do what they want and the government should stay out of their decision. I reminded him that minors are not allowed to make medical decisions for themselves and authorities sometimes take the rights away from parents that are doing a poor job of raising their children. Typically, the authorities look for abusive or neglectful parents, and letting your son decide that kemotherapy is rough and letting him die would be neglectful, since he might live somewhere between 50 and 80 years after the therapy is finished.

    My co-worker looked at me and asked why I was so passionate and informed. I said something about the f**king cult and the blood issue being similar. It was easier for him to see how irresponsible parents are when they go agains the authorities and medical experts based on advice from the Watchtower.

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    Here is the conundrum for JW parents...

    If they truly loved their child more than they loved themselves, they would agree to the blood transfusion, even if they themselves completely believed in the JW demands. That way, their child would live, and would NOT be held responsible, while the parent would accept all responsibility. Even if the parent were disfellowshipped, wouldn't it be worth it? Creepier still, even if the parent thought that they themselves might not be resurrected... they would know that their child would be guilt-free.

    It just shows yet again how DEEPLY entrenched they are in cult mind, and how there is absolutely no logic to any of it.

    (Prayers for the newborn innocent.)

  • yesidid
    yesidid
    With kemotherapy, the survival rate is 90%.

    OTWO,

    Where did you get those numbers.

  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime
    With kemotherapy, the survival rate is 90%.
    OTWO,

    Where did you get those numbers.

    I too would like to know. Is this figure supposed to be for all kemotherapy, just lukemia, or just for a specific condition or stage? It seems a bit too good to be true. If it is true, those are some interesting and powerful statistics.

    - Lime

  • aSphereisnotaCircle
    aSphereisnotaCircle

    If they truly loved their child more than they loved themselves, they would agree to the blood transfusion, even if they themselves completely believed in the JW demands. That way, their child would live, and would NOT be held responsible, while the parent would accept all responsibility. Even if the parent were disfellowshipped, wouldn't it be worth it? Creepier still, even if the parent thought that they themselves might not be resurrected... they would know that their child would be guilt-free.

    Baba, This is not how I felt as a JW. IF my child were to die for want of a transfusion, I would know that he/she would have a free ticket into the new system. If he/she lived, there was always the chance that they would leave da troof and have no hope at all.

    The most loving, selfless thing I could do would be to let my child die, and I am deeply ashamed to say i would have.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24
    If they truly loved their child more than they loved themselves

    If they loved their child more than the Watchtower......sammieswife.

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga
    A Sphere said: IF my child were to die for want of a transfusion, I would know that he/she would have a free ticket into the new system. If he/she lived, there was always the chance that they would leave da troof and have no hope at all.

    Yikes.

    Yes, that is the way Witnesses would and do think. Like I said, just shows how deep the cult-think goes. That "free ticket" business is scary, isn't it?

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    OTWO..if this is the same boy that's been in the news this past week, the reason for not having the treatment had been given as religious. There was also the question of him not understanding options open to him because he was home schooled and thus not open to other information that might help him. sammieswife.

    Minn. Judge Orders Parents To Treat Son's Cancer

    13-Year-Old Stopped Treatment Because Of Religious Beliefs

    Daniel Hauser stopped chemotherapy in February after a single treatment. He and his parents opted instead for "alternative medicines" based on their religious beliefs.

    A Minnesota couple who refused chemotherapy for their 13-year-old son were ordered Friday to have the boy re-evaluated to see if he would still benefit from the cancer treatment — or if it may already be too late.

    Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg found Daniel Hauser has been "medically neglected" by his parents, Colleen and Anthony Hauser.

    The judge allowed Daniel to stay with his parents, noting they love him and acted in good faith. But he gave them until Tuesday to get an updated chest X-ray and select an oncologist.

    If the tumor has not grown and if Daniel's prognosis remains as optimistic as doctors testified last week, then chemotherapy and possible radiation appear to be in Daniel's best interest, Rodenberg wrote.

    "The State has successfully shown by clear and convincing evidence that continued chemotherapy is medically necessary," he wrote, adding he would not order chemotherapy if doctors find the cancer has advanced to a point where it is "too late."

    If chemotherapy is ordered and the family refuses, the judge said, Daniel will be placed in temporary custody. It was unclear how the medicine would be administered if the boy fights it.

    Calvin Johnson, an attorney for Daniel's parents, said the family is considering an appeal. For now, he said, Daniel is following the order and will have X-rays Monday.

    Daniel was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma in January and it was recommended he have six rounds of chemotherapy. He underwent one round in February, but stopped after that single treatment. He and his parents opted instead for "alternative medicines," citing religious beliefs.

    Doctors have said Daniel's cancer had a 90 percent chance of being cured with chemotherapy and radiation. Without those treatments, doctors said his chances of survival are 5 percent. Child protection workers accused Daniel's parents of medical neglect, and went to court seeking custody.

    Court testimony indicated Daniel's tumor shrank after the first round of chemo, but has since grown. His mother, Colleen Hauser, testified last week: "My son is not in any medical danger at this point."

    She has been treating his cancer with herbal supplements, vitamins, ionized water, and other natural alternatives — despite testimony from five doctors who agreed Daniel needed chemotherapy.

    Rodenberg wrote that state statues require parents to provide necessary medical care for a child. The statutes say alternative and complementary health care methods aren't enough.

    "If the Minnesota Legislature ever reconsiders the relevant statutes, I am confident that I join all of the others involved in this matter in hoping, and indeed in praying, that Daniel Hauser lives to testify at that hearing," Rodenberg said.

    Rodenberg found Daniel has only a "rudimentary understanding at best of the risks and benefits of chemotherapy. ... he does not believe he is ill currently. The fact is that he is very ill currently."

    Because of that, and other evidence in the case, Rodenberg said the state's interest in protecting the child override the constitutional right to freedom of religious expression and a parent's right to direct a child's upbringing.

    Medical neglect, Rodenberg said, clearly took place both on April 29, when the Hausers did not seek the advice of one doctor who told them to return to an oncologist, and on May 7, when they disregarded with their family doctor's recommendation to get the tumor X-rayed. Up until then, Rodenberg wrote, the family was seeking second opinions and alternatives.

    A court-appointed attorney for Daniel, Philip Elbert, called the judge's decision unfortunate.

    "I feel it's a blow to families," he said Friday. "It marginalizes the decisions that parents face every day in regard to their children's medical care. It really affirms the role that big government is better at making our decisions for us."

    The phone line at the Hauser home had a busy signal Friday.

    Johnson, the parents' attorney, said everyone should be able to get medical care in line with their conscience.

    "The Hausers believe that the injection of chemotherapy into Danny Hauser amounts to an assault upon his body, and torture when it occurs over a long period of time," Johnson said Friday. "They believe that it is against the spiritual law to invade the consciousness of another person without their permission."

    The Hausers, who have eight children, are Roman Catholic and also believe in the "do no harm" philosophy of the Nemenhah Band. The Missouri-based religious group believes in natural healing methods advocated by some American Indians.

    In his ruling, Rodenberg noted that at age 13, Daniel can't read. "He lacks the ability to give informed consent to medial procedures," Rodenberg said.

    Dr. Bruce Bostrom, a pediatric oncologist at Children's Hospitals and Clinics of Minnesota who diagnosed Daniel's cancer in January, said he would have a hard time forcing Daniel to take the medicine.

    Bostrom said if an X-ray shows that there is still hope Daniel can be cured, it's possible doctors will recommend the same treatment plan.

    Fear of chemotherapy is common among his patients, and Children's Hospital has a program that incorporates herbal supplements, massage, acupuncture, and other alternative methods to help patients deal with the side effects of the medication. It's unclear where Daniel will seek treatment.

    "The bottom line is we just want to get through this, have him get better," Bostrom said. "And I'm happy the judge ruled that he could stay with his family because they are wonderful people ... We want what's best for Danny." (AP/CBS)

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