All Scripture is God-breathed

by sabastious 27 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    2 Tim 3:10-17 - 10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

    What does the term "God-breathed" in this scripture mean? Another scripture in Genesis gives a hint:

    Genesis 2:7 - Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    Why doesn't the Bible speak of this "breath of life" when concerning animals? Because the animals don't have it, only humans do. This is an important distinction to make. Humans have reason, that's the main difference between the animal kingdom and mankind. So, when 2 Timothy speaks about the Bible's words being "God-breathed" it is not talking about God's breath, mainly because God doesn't breath when he speaks like humans do. When we write down something we have to use our logical brain to do it. The complexities of human writing in relation to our brains is what "God-breathed" is describing. God is with any human who writes in a way that he/she was designed to.

    If you have trouble with Biblical errors or feel that the Bible should be or is perfect think of the Bible writers as children learning to ride bikes with God as their father. The father buys the bike, set's up the training wheels and even keeps his son from falling in the beginning. The training wheels are there to eventually be taken off when the father sees enough progress. It is the same with God and inspired human works. If the boy falls and breaks his arm you cannot logically blame the father for teaching his son to ride a bike.

    Just as everyone who as has ever mastered bike riding still have nasty falls there will be errors in the Bible because it is God-breathed through the breath of life. God doesn't ride the bike for us, he just gives our brain the capabilities to ride it and he instructs us. The Jehovah's Witnesses, however, think that the Bible should be perfectly congruent in all ways or it isn't worth anything, just as a bad father who tells his son he cannot fall off his bike.

    Now, there is another key word in the quoted scripture in Timothy above. That word is "Scripture" with a capital S. Not all writings can be considered God-breathed even though all writings use the left center of the brain. Scriptures are sacred writings and the only way writings can become sacred is when we deem them so. That's why the Bible says do not lean on your own understanding because a logical brain left to it's own devices will eventually go insane. We need others to verify our findings of reality so that we don't get caught up in our own falsehoods, because they don't go away.

    -Sab

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    Very good analysis sabastious!

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • cofty
    cofty

    Jehovah's Witnesses, however, think that the Bible should be perfectly congruent in all ways or it isn't worth anything

    So do millions of evangelicals.

    How did you make the leap from god-breathed to human logical complexity?

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    How did you make the leap from god-breathed to human logical complexity?

    Right now, you and I, Cofty, are not actually speaking to each other. We are communicating through writing. Simply put: brain to brain. The need to archive our experiences is hard wired into our brains, I beleive, because of God.

    This whole train of thought for me started when I found contradictions within the Bible a few years ago. Being raised a Witness I was always told that no matter how much the Bible seemed to contradict itself it was still perfect and inerrant. 2nd Timothy was used by the Witnesses to solidify that argument.

    "God cannot lie", the Bible says. So, if the Bible has an error in it that means he didn't write the Bible and that's exactly what the Bible says and should say. God doesn't have a respiratory system so it can't be describing his actual breathed words. So, if it's not his words the scripture is describing then what is it?

    Albert Einstein said that when the solution is simple, God is answering. God doesn't have convoluted explanations so how could I simply describe what "God-breathed" actually means? I believe my OP is the simplest explanation:

    God gave us an inherent need and capability to write down what we experience. (or draw them which is in the same concept I am referring to)

    -Sab

  • cofty
    cofty

    God doesn't have a respiratory system so it can't be describing his actual breathed words.

    And you think people in the 1st century didn't imagine god breathed just like us?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    The writer of Timothy was probably a jew and as such, for a 1st century jew "god breathed" meant by the power of God's spirit.

    So the writers of the OT books that were viewed as "scripture" ( which is the scriptures that the writer was referring to) were writing and origianlly passing down via oral transmission, what was given to them via the HS BUT they nevertheless understood as and passed it on as what MAN of their age would have understood things and passed them on.

    There was nothing "god inspired" about the book of Chronicles or Judges, (to name just two), those were simply "history books" written in the genre of the time.

    Prophetic books such as Isiah and the prophets or 1Enoch ( at least for some Jews) or Daniel, were viewed diferently then Kings because they were a different genre.

    There were obvious "degrees" of inspiration and it was given in a way that the person it was given to could "handle it" and transmit in an "understandable fashion".

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    I'm not sure I agree that a left brain without a right will go insane. I'm certain that the right brain would go insane without the left.

    Then again, perhaps sanity is just another social construct.

    I applaud you on your analysis, Sab, but I tend to think the simplest solution is most often the correct one. Those who edited and compiled the book we now call the Bible clearly wanted the message to be that God literally told the Bible writers what to write. So they put those words in the scriptures attributed to both Paul and Peter, the two biggest bigwigs in the historical establishment of the church. It really is that simple.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    This is so far from accurate. It is clear that it wasn't Moses that wrote any "scriptures" before or after God's breath let go of the bike and took off the training wheels. Nor was it Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John that wrote the "gospels" before or after God's breath let go of the bike and took off the training wheels.

    The Bible is so far from correct that if a creator existed, he definitely wouldn't want his name on it.

    No worldwide flood, no garden of Eden, no group of people ever obeying the Mosaic/Levitical laws before the exile, no 12-tribe kingdom EVER, and no agreement throughout the four gospels.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    I'm not sure I agree that a left brain without a right will go insane. I'm certain that the right brain would go insane without the left.

    Well I mean a whole brain left alone will go insane because of the left brains need to make sense of it's environment. Eventually it will believe a lie and drift off into insanity without others to be reality anchors.

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    And you think people in the 1st century didn't imagine god breathed just like us?

    They had many misconceptions.

    -Sab

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