Fact Jews Returned In 538 BC Kills Off Watchtower Chronology

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  • AlanF
    AlanF

    The Watchtower Society's 1914 chronology hinges on a dicey chain of claims. If any of these claims is wrong, then the chain is broken and Watchtower chronology collapses. Along with it goes the entire belief structure built on it, including most importantly the claim of the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses to have been specially appointed in 1919 by God over "all Christ's belongings" on earth. In other words, the authority structure of Jehovah's Witnesses collapses.

    One claim in this chain is that the Jews returned to Judah in 537 B.C., which allows the Society to calculate back 70 years to 607 B.C. and assign it as the date of Jerusalem's destruction, and then calculate forward 2,520 years (the length of the so-called Gentile Times, they claim) to 1914 A.D.

    It is easily shown by the Bible and secular history that the Society's claim for 537 B.C. is wrong, and that the correct date is 538 B.C. It is easy to show that the Society's claim for the 537 date is based on nothing but speculation going back to C. T. Russell.

    Here is the proof:

    Ezra 1 clearly states that Cyrus, in his first year, gave a decree allowing the Jews to return to Judah. According to undisputed history, Cyrus' first year was Nisan (March/April), 538 B.C. through Adar (February/March), 537 B.C. The Bible gives no explicit statement about exactly when this decree was issued.

    Ezra 3:1-7 states that by the 7th Jewish month Tishri (September/October), the Jews were settled in their cities, and at that time they gathered together in Jerusalem to offer sacrifices and collect money for the rebuilding of the Temple. From this we deduce that, whatever calendar year this was, the Jews returned in the preceding year, since the secular Jewish year began in Tishri (keep in mind that the sacred Jewish year began six months offset from Tishri, in Nisan, and the Jewish months were numbered beginning with Nisan). In other words, the year in which the Jews returned was the first year of their coming home, and the new year beginning in the Tishri mentioned in Ezra 3:1 was the second year of their coming home.

    Ezra 3:8, 10 states that a little later in that second year the Temple foundations were laid (NASB):

    8 Now in the second year of their coming to the house of God at Jerusalem in the second month, Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak and the rest of their brothers the priests and the Levites, and all who came from the captivity to Jerusalem, began the work and appointed the Levites from twenty years and older to oversee the work of the house of the LORD.

    10 Now when the builders had laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, the priests stood in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites, the sons of Asaph, with cymbals, to praise the LORD according to the directions of King David of Israel.

    The crucial piece of information here is that the Temple foundations were laid in the second month (Iyyar; April/May) of the same year in which the Jews gathered in Jerusalem immediately after they returned to Judah.

    The Bible does not explicitly relate these events to any event that can be firmly dated to our Gregorian calendar. However, a careful examination of historical data indicates that it was Cyrus' general practice to free captives from the nations he conquered shortly after he secured his authority. Since he captured Babylon in October, 539 B.C., and the inhabitants would have known of his general practice, they would have expected him to soon begin freeing Babyonian captives, including the Jews. It is a good bet that Cyrus would have done this around the time of celebrating the beginning of his first regnal year.

    A careful examination of Ezra 1-3 indicates that there might have been very little delay between the issuing of Cyrus' decree and the departure of the Jewish captives for Judah. Because Cyrus' first regnal year began in Nisan, and the Jews arrived by Tishri, if this all occurred in 538 B.C., there would have been at most six months for the Jews to complete their preparations and journey, and get settled in Judah. Since the trip takes about three to four months for a normal caravan, there is just enough time for these events to happen in 538 B.C.

    The Watchtower Society speculates that Cyrus issued his decree sometime in late 538 or early 537 B.C., still in his first regnal year. They then claim that the Jews journeyed back to Judah in 537 B.C. However, the Society gives no justification for this speculation.

    How then, can one decided if the Jews returned in 538 or 537?

    Josephus provides the tie breaker.

    In Against Apion I,21, Josephus states:

    These accounts agree with the true histories in our books; for in them it is written that Nebuchadnezzar, in the eighteenth year of his reign, laid our temple desolate, and so it lay in that state of obscurity for fifty years; but that in the second year of the reign of Cyrus its foundations were laid, and it was finished again in the second year of Darius.

    The crucial piece of information is that the Temple foundations were laid in the second regnal year of Cyrus.

    Combining this with the information from Ezra that the Temple foundations were laid in the second month (Iyyar) of the second year of the Jews' return to Judah, we conclude that this second year corresponds with the second year of Cyrus. Since Cyrus' second year began in Nisan, 537 B.C. and Iyyar was the second month of that regnal year, the first year of the Jews' return was 538 B.C. This also works if one uses Tishri dating for Cyrus' reign, as some might argue that Josephus did.

    In other words, Josephus has provided the crucial information to decide between 538 and 537 B.C.

    According to Watchtower chronology, the Temple foundations were laid in 536 B.C., which contradicts Josephus' statement.

    Now, readers already understand that our resident JW defenders will scream bloody murder about the above facts, so I will here present a chronological tablulation that is in harmony with all known facts. By proving that the Jews returned to Judah in the autumn of 538 B.C, this proves that the Watchtower Society's mere speculation that the Jews returned in 537 B.C. is wrong. Because that date is wrong, every other important Watchtower date that hinges on it, such as 607 B.C. for Jerusalem's destruction, is wrong.

    Table of Cyrus' Early Years As King of Babylon, With Important Events

    539___Tishri____Sep/Oct___Cyrus' 0th Year, Month 7__Babylon falls, Cyrus' accession year

    539___Heshvan___Oct/Nov___Cyrus' 0th Year, Month 8

    539___Chislev___Nov/Dec___Cyrus' 0th Year, Month 9

    539/8_Tebeth____Dec/Jan___Cyrus' 0th Year, Month 10

    538___Shebat____Jan/Feb___Cyrus' 0th Year, Month 11

    538___Adar______Feb/Mar___Cyrus' 0th Year, Month 12

    538___Nisan_____Mar/Apr___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 1__Cyrus' 1st year; issues his famous decree

    538___Iyyar_____Apr/May___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 2

    538___Sivan_____May/Jun___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 3

    538___Tammuz____Jun/Jul___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 4

    538___Ab________Jul/Aug___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 5

    538___Elul______Aug/Sep___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 6__Jews arrive in Judah

    538___Tishri____Sep/Oct___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 7___Jews are settled in their cities

    538___Heshvan___Oct/Nov___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 8

    538___Chislev___Nov/Dec___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 9

    538/7_Tebeth____Dec/Jan___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 10

    537___Shebat____Jan/Feb___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 11

    537___Adar______Feb/Mar___Cyrus' 1st Year, Month 12

    537___Nisan_____Mar/Apr___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 1

    537___Iyyar_____Apr/May___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 2__Temple foundations are laid

    537___Sivan_____May/Jun___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 3

    537___Tammuz____Jun/Jul___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 4

    537___Ab________Jul/Aug___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 5

    537___Elul______Aug/Sep___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 6

    537___Tishri____Sep/Oct___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 7

    537___Heshvan___Oct/Nov___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 8

    537___Chislev___Nov/Dec___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 9

    537/6_Tebeth____Dec/Jan___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 10

    536___Shebat____Jan/Feb___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 11

    536___Adar______Feb/Mar___Cyrus' 2nd Year, Month 12

    536___Nisan_____Mar/Apr___Cyrus' 3rd Year, Month 1

    536___Iyyar_____Apr/May___Cyrus' 3rd Year, Month 2

    I now issue the following challenge to our resident JW defenders, thirdwitness and 'scholar':

    If you disagree with any of the above facts, prove your case by making point-by-point refutations of my arguments. To prove that you know what you're talking about, provide your own detailed chronological tabulation like I have done above.

    AlanF

  • ackack
    ackack

    Funny story, I had an instruction talk on "absolute dates". One of their absolute dates was 539 BCE. So in the body of the talk you had to talk about how this information was beneficial. Supposedly it led you to 537, then to 607 then to 1914. I looked at the first link in the chain, and realized that 537 was based on speculative thinking. I was pretty bothered by this, so I went down to the Eatons Centre to look for some information about Bible chronology. I ended up buying "The Bible as History" (the second edition) which really sort of ended up blowing away some of these assumptions.

    I called my Dad up about the discrepency, and his take on it was, "well, its the best guess". I found it very difficult having to teach that from the platform. I sort of muddled my way through it, and no one seemed to really care that I had less enthusiasm. Generally, any talk at the KH about chronology is so over-complicated, it has the effect of impressing whoever is listening, and causing them to glaze over and assume the subject matter is more complicated than it really is (though this seems to be a common tactic with the WT).

    Interestingly though, I got told off in a local needs later for researching Bible history in the book "The bible as history" later, which is a very pro-bible publication. Aparently, and I quote, "If its not from the faithful slave, its false." Ironically, the very same book was downstairs in the KH library.

    ackack

  • Mary
    Mary

    Excellent thread Alan. Although I sincerely doubt that you're going to see any WT defenders like scholar, try and dispute what you've said. Actually Alleymom did a wonderful thread on this subject a while ago. A very simplistic order that proves from the bible itself, that there is no way Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx

    Even if Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE, it still has nothing to do with 1914. The "7 times" that they use in Daniel 4:16 that says: "Let its heart be changed from that of mankind, and let the heart of a beast be given to it, and let seven times pass over it has absolutely nothing to do with 586 BCE, 607 BCE or 1914 CE. It's simply referring to the 7 years that Nebuchadnezzar would live like an insane animal at which time his kingdom would be restored to him:

    (Daniel 4:31-36) 31

    While the word was yet in the king’s mouth, there was a voice that fell from the heavens: "To you it is being said, O Neb·u·chad·nez´zar the king, ‘The kingdom itself has gone away from you, 32 and from mankind they are driving even you away, and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will be. Vegetation they will give even to you to eat just like bulls, and seven times themselves will pass over you, until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it.’" 33 At that moment the word itself was fulfilled upon Neb·u·chad·nez´zar, and from mankind he was being driven away, and vegetation he began to eat just like bulls, and with the dew of the heavens his own body got to be wet, until his very hair grew long just like eagles’ [feathers] and his nails like birds’ [claws]. 34 "And at the end of the days (the 7 times) I, Neb·u·chad·nez´zar, lifted up to the heavens my eyes, and my own understanding began to return to me; and I blessed the Most High himself, and the One living to time indefinite I praised and glorified, because his rulership is a rulership to time indefinite and his kingdom is for generation after generation............"At the same time my understanding itself began to return to me, and for the dignity of my kingdom my majesty and my brightness themselves began to return to me; and for me even my high royal officers and my grandees began eagerly searching, and I was reestablished upon my own kingdom, and greatness extraordinary was added to me.

    I'd like to know what they were smoking when they got the brainiac idea that this "7 times" really meant 2,520 years in the first place.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Mary said:

    : I'd like to know what they were smoking when they got the brainiac idea that this "7 times" really meant 2,520 years in the first place.

    It was actually a number of earlier prophetic speculators who came up with this nonsense, beginning in the 1820s. The first one anybody knows of who said anything about this was one John Aquila Brown, but he assigned 1,260 lunar years to "the Gentile times", beginnng them around 657 A.D. and ending them in 1917. By about 1830, a number of them had settled on the notion of "7 times" and 2,520 years. See Jonsson's The Gentile Times Reconsidered for details. It was Nelson Barbour in 1875 who first published the notion that these "Gentile times" began in 606 B.C. and would end in 1914. Of course, he blew the math -- didn't seem to know there was no "zero year" between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D. -- and should have come up with 1915. Russell picked up the idea a few months later, and the rest is history.

    AlanF

  • freetosee
    freetosee

    Was Miller the first one who came up with 2,520 years?

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    Using Daniel 9 as a basis for prophecy actually goes back much further. The great mathematician, John Napier (1550-1617), who invented logarithms, used the prophecy for date calculation, as did Sir Isaac Newton (1700) and Johann Funck (1564). There was a bishop a while before these guys that used the whole day for a year thing, but I cant remember his name.

    steve

  • freetosee
    freetosee

    THX Steve, I just googled their names very interesting. fts

  • Arthur
    Arthur

    Alan, thanks for posting this info.

    I am printing it out right now and adding it to my files.

    p.s. you may want to put on an apron for all of the manure that will be slung your way.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Alan F

    4611

    What you post regarding 538 as being the only possible date for the Return is utter nonsense. For starters what you should do is run your theory past your guru Carl Jonsson and see if he agrees with your opinion. Have you done this? Because if your claim is correct then how is it that Jonsson does not adopt such a dogmatic approach? Why is it also the case that scholars do not share your dogmatic enthusiasm for 538 BCE for the Return? What you have posted is sheer nonsense and your interpretation of the biblical and secular evidence is simply that for if you have something worthwhile then submit it to the scholarly community by means of a journal artlcle as celebrated WT scholars have done.

    scholar JW

  • KW13
    KW13
    What you post regarding 538 as being the only possible date for the Return is utter nonsense. For starters what you should do is run your theory past your guru Carl Jonsson and see if he agrees with your opinion. Have you done this? Because if your claim is correct then how is it that Jonsson does not adopt such a dogmatic approach? Why is it also the case that scholars do not share your dogmatic enthusiasm for 538 BCE for the Return? What you have posted is sheer nonsense and your interpretation of the biblical and secular evidence is simply that for if you have something worthwhile then submit it to the scholarly community by means of a journal artlcle as celebrated WT scholars have done.

    scholar JW

    Clearly then AlanF doesn't just follow Carl Jonsson, whereas your always going on about your Celebrated Watchtower Scholars who live in a closet at Brooklyn.

    Who are they?? eh? THERE ARE NO CELEBRATED SCHOLARS!!! no one knows their names, are they shy? gay? lost?

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