Prayer - Is it a jug of milk?

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  • cantleave
    cantleave
  • LostGeneration
    LostGeneration

    All hail the IPU, the FSM, and now the JOM!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Thanks lost

  • glenster
    glenster

    I don't know proof is or isn't for God, including by prayer--I know a choice
    whether or not to have faith, a hope for a possible God. One view of prayer is
    that the reward given is an afterlife--another article of faith, not a proof.
    Comparing God to a carton of milk you know isn't God, or to a unicorn you know
    you wouldn't find in the woods, is padding the case for the non-believers stance
    as a known, which reminds me more of a literalist padding a case for "proof is"
    than anything about faith.

    The "proof isn't" stance ironically has more in common with the "proof is"
    stance then a characterization or criticism of faith. (The Fred Titanich
    article of a recent post is similar. Reading that, I kept thinking of the same
    sort of rebuttals I'd think of reading a JWs brochure of "proofs" against
    evolution or such--too many for a brief post.)

    For the non-belief stance, I recommend the stance that faith is a hope for a
    possible God beyond the known and one prefers to just stick to the known--short,
    simple, and clear. For the belief stance, "How to Think about God," Mortimer
    Adler. Otherwise, that believers and non-believers get along like people do
    over different subjective reactions to the objective math of music.

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    Good video. Reminds me of something a sister who just survived breast cancer said to a brother who just had a cancer operation (this is a true story) She told him that "Jehovah helped the doctors to catch both of their cancers in time."

    Ironically, and sadly, this sister just found out she now has skin cancer.

    A sad situation compounded by dangerous thinking.

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    There are no atheists in foxholes, or so we're told. But we'll never know if the soldiers blown to bits were praying at the very moment their body exploded.

    ...

    I knew a really annoying "Brother" that was always going on and on telling everyone how much God was blessing him in this or that. Now don't get me wrong, I think people should be appreciative, but he was always saying stupid stuff like, "Jehovah really blessed me today." but it was always really trivial stuff and not anything important.

    I'd ask, "How so?"

    Brother Blessed (BB), "Well when I went to the Post Office, I got a parking space right away even though the lot was full!"

    Me, "So Jehovah is the God of Parking Lots?"

    BB, "Whaddya' mean?"

    Me, "It sounds like your saying that the Creator of the Entire Universe thought it was important enough to drop everything else and just focus on making sure that YOU found a place to park so you could mail your mail."

    BB, "That's right."

    Me, "And all those other people that didn't find a parking place, God's NOT blessing them. Is that right?"

    BB, "Yes, that's right."

    Me, "And why is that?"

    BB, "Because I'm serving Jehovah and they're not."

    Me, "And you know this how?"

    BB, "Because I got the parking place and they didn't."

    Me, "That's your proof?"

    BB, "Yes."

    Me, "So all that pioneering and meeting attendance is just so you can get good parking places?"

    BB, "No, them's just the perks."

    Me, "So God will 'bless' you when it comes to parking even though you can't speak English properly, but that's OK because you spend 90 hours a months walking up and down Ventura Boulevard in a suit being ignored by the few people that are, for-whatever-reason, also walking down the street, but going the opposite direction."

    BB, "Exactly! Now you're getting it."

    Me, "What about your wife leaving you? I mean that was really tragic for you wasn't it?"

    BB, "Yes it was. You know, she broke my heart! Why are you bringing that up? That really hurts!"

    Me, "I know it does and I'm sorry. But where was Jehovah's blessing there? Wouldn't you rather have a faithful wife than a good parking space at the post office?"

    BB, "I don't like where this conversation is going ...."

    Me, "No, I'm sure you don't and come to think of it neither do I!"

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    BTW, I just prayed to the Jug of Milk and my prayer was answered!!!

    Breakfast was delicious!

  • Disillusioned Lost-Lamb
    Disillusioned Lost-Lamb

    I've always felt the concept of prayer was pretty ridiculous.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Prayer: The sure-fire way to not get something you want. You see, Jehovah has 7 things you are allowed to pray for, but only 3 of them actually count. He assigns "points values" to each item, and his name, his tyranny, and his nefarious will contain virtually all those values. The other things (for yourself) are nearly worthless to him. Hence, when he answers, he tries to maximize that points value that he has self-servingly set up. Meaning you will get his rubbish, but nothing for yourself.

    Or, you can renounce Jehovah--renounce his name being sanctified, renounce his tyranny, and renounce his selfish will. You will pxxx him off, but no worse than he pxxxed you off by putting his selfish things first and neglecting you.

  • designs
    designs

    I remember some JW pioneers praying before they went to Disneyland, typical things covered like safe journey etc., they were plowed into on the way with several severly injured. I think John May might have been in the group. Anyway what an eye opener, somehow Satan was again more powerful than the God they prayed to

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