KS10-Chapter Seven Discussion

yknot

Chapter 7 from 'Shepherding the Flock of God' published by the WTS of Penn/NY is part of their worldwide Bible Educational work. The WTS is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted

While admittedly my feelings were hurt by "the boys" yanking my 4shared files...I am 'sorta' over it....but if you are a Bethelite tasked to shut down such things I kindly ask for you to register on JWN and PM me the rationale minus legal jargin- cuz as a JW-sister I really don't understand, I honestly don't understand why this 'secrecy' is needed)

Anywho...

The other part of my brain says 'it ain't personal' and just a game.....hey yall get out of 'whatever' your normal task is right!! So lets play a little 'ball' and keep it friendly! Since we know you will 'shut down' things in the morning I think we should go back to 'sendspace' instead of 4shared...this way it is a 'win-win' situation for both of us on 'user ease'

End-rant: back to discussion:)

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Elders I now ask you to open your book to pages 89-102, those Elders who have not yet received the KS10 and everyone else [link removed]

Ch 7 Title: "Judicial Hearing Procedure"

Subheadings are:

Determining Genuine Repentance

If Repentance Is Unclear

If the Decision Is to Reprove

If the Decision Is to Disfellowship

(I would like to propose for the the future KS-2015 goofs-edition-- a subheading entitled: "When a Sister just wants a good Spanking" discussing approved and unapproved modes of delivery ;)

Here are the previous discussion threads:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/KS10-Chapter-One-Discussion

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200527/1/KS10-Chapter-Two-Discussion

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200581/1/KS10-Chapter-Three

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200585/1/KS10-Chapter-Four-Discussion

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200588/1/KS10-Chapter-Five-Discussion

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200606/1/KS10-Chapter-Six-Discussion

Hugs to all

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Thoughts???

miseryloveselders

You're a beautiful woman Ynot. Make em bleed, the same way they've been bleeding our lives all these years.

donuthole

Once you get it all scanned make sure Wikileaks.org gets a copy. They are bulletproof from Watchtower legal. Even the mormons can't get their secret elders manual off that site.

Evidently Apostate

7 down how many chapters left? the most painful conclusion i have found with this book is children are still not protected from predators. the 2 witness still applies if the accuser denies the allogation it is just filedin order that if future victims come forward they can build a case against him. not once do i see a recommendation to contact civil authorities, let enough children become victims then act. only from gods true religion

ynot thanks so much for your effort.

E

donuthole

" At times, complicated judicial cases may necessitate consultation with an experienced mature elder in another congregation or the circuit overseer. In such a situation, inform the wrongdoer that he decision is pending. Do not inform him that you will be consulting with parties outside of the judicial committee, which may at times include the branch office. While pertinent details may be discussed, names should not be used when discussing the case with another elder. However, when the circuit overseer is consulted or when circumstances require that the branch office be contacted, the judicial committee should reveal the names. Do not inform him that you will be consulting with parties outside of the ju dicial committee, which may at times include the branch office."

This procedure alone betrays any claims the Society Legal has that a Judicial Hearing is legally protected from court scrutiny under the precepts of clergy confidentiality.

Apart from dredging up PTS reviewing this information proves that the WT claims that disfellowshipping is "Biblical" rings hollow. The scant Bible verses quoted are strained for application and for many of their procedures they offer no Biblical support whatsoever.

sabastious

Heb 12:5-7 - 5 And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: "My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, 6 because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. 7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?

^ They read this scripture right after DF'ing you.

Interesting how it TELLS you in the scripture how God disciplines you... by HARDSHIP, not "Judicial Committee then DF'ing"

-Sab

yknot

There are 12 chapters in all.....

We will have some sort of 'discussion' of all of them!

If by chance I abandon this format..... I suppose I could do them by subheading like

Ch 7: If Repentance Is Unclear

13. If the wrongdoer's degree of repentance is unclear, the committee should invite him back into the room for further discussion. They should use God's Word to help him understand why his conduct was wrong and how it has affected his relationship with Jehovah and the congregation. It is possible that even as late as the judicial hearing, he will demonstrate repentance to the point that mercy by the judicial committee may be warranted. In most cases the individual will show some repentance, but is it commensurate with the degree of his wrongdoing? The judidal committee should be modest and keep in mind that if the wrongdoer has demonstrated few or no works of repentance before the judidal hearing is
held, it may not be possible during the hearing to move him to demonstrate sufficient repentance to justify extending mercy. Even if it is determined that he must be disfellowshipped, their efforts to lead him to repentance may help him to begin making straight paths for his feet and work toward reinstatement. (Heb. 12:13) After trying to help him and hearing his further expressions, the judicial committee may excuse him from the room and deliberate.

14. In complex cases, if the judicial committee is not sure of the Bible's direction or the organization's counsel, the hearing may be adjourned and reconvened a few days later. However, an additional meeting should not be scheduled just to give the accused time to stop the wrongdoing or to demonstrate works of repentance. If he has demonstrated little or no repentance during the initial hearing, there would generally be no basis on which to prolong the case and schedule a second meeting.

15 At times, complicated judicial cases may necessitate consultation with an experienced mature elder in another congregation or the circuit overseer. In such a situation, inform the wrongdoer that the decision is pending. Do not inform him that you will be consulting with parties outside of the judicial committee, which may at times include the branch office. While pertinent details may be discussed, names should not be used when discussing the case with another elder. However, when the circuit overseer is consulted or when circumstances require that the branch office be contacted, the judicial committee should reveal the names.

16. Generally, those serving on a judicial committee should endeavor to be unanimous in their decision. Any difference of opinion can usually be resolved by discussing matters thoroughly as a judicial committee, researching the Scriptures and Christian publications, praying for wisdom and clirection, and even consulting with an experienced elder outside the congregation. However, if the committee is unable to reach a unanimous conclusion, the minority should give support to the decision reached by the majority.

17. Anything submitted in writing to the committee by the alleged wrongdoer or by witnesses should be kept in strict confidence. If it is necessary to continue the matter later, the members of the committee should submit to the chairman any personal notes they have taken. The chairman will keep these notes in a secure place to prevent breaches of confidentiality. The notes may be returned to the individual elders for consultation before the hearing resumes.

yourmomma

I have one simple question to the elders after reading this chapter:

Who the FUCK do you think you are?!?!?!?!?!?!?

this chapter proves false any claim made by JW's that elders arent judges and dont judge the friends, and that they simply are "spiritual doctors"

mickeyman1

Nice work yknot, thank you, but try this russian upload server, I think The Bethel Boys will have no legal chance to delet any file.

http://www.msucity.ru/upload/

yknot

Thanks and Welcome Mickeyman1 !!!!!

We still have a few hours before my 'beloved bethel brothers' arise and get to come out and play on JWN !!!

KS10-Chapter Seven Discussion

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