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  How did you teach your kids TTATT? How old were they?

  by KateWild in

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  when i first started going on "other" jw websites my head was spinning so i didn't say anything to my kids about what i had read.

  steve hassan's material helped a lot it was when i read that, that i realised i need to free my kids.. i got a lot of advice from jwn too.. my daughter had moved cities and went to the hall we used to visit frequently.

  things changed when she became a member instead of just a visitor.

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  4thgen

  Hey KateW,

  This is a good topic! I’ve been endeavoring to teach my 10 year old critical thinking on various topics. It is beginning to take a hold of his everyday reasoning; he is a very easy going kid, always eager to please. Since he will be attending the convention with his father this summer, I thought it would be good to discuss 1914 and the ‘generation‘.We got out the bound volumes and we talked about the cover of the 5/15/84 Watchtower “1914, The generation that will not pass away”. Then I showed him the names of each of the people and the days that they died. We reasoned together about what that all meant. We discussed critical thinking, false prophesy and hypocrisy.

  A bit later, I had him read from a bound volume “If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this system of things….you will never fulfill any career that this system offers….“We talked about what he thought that meant. After our discussion, I showed him that the article was from the 5/22/1969 Awake- 45 years ago! He was amazed. We then discussed again about false prophesy. The bound volumes were left on the table and I caught him looking at the articles again. Apparently, it made him think….

  I will have to tell my story in detail at another time; but my son knows about that I stopped being active because of the Watchtower’s stance on child abuse issues; and I believed that after we talked about 1914, he understood a little more of the depth of my convictions…..

  ... and here I thought we were doing so well….My son is at this dad’s for one of the 4 weeks summer vacation weeks. As I was typing the above, my son was in a meeting arranged by his father to become an unbaptized publisher! Because of his fathers past abuses, my son is afraid of getting him upset, so I’m sure he went along with the meeting.

  He will not be home until this weekend and I was hesitant to talk in detail with him on the phone, as I’m sure his father is recording the conversations. We will have to do some more in depth conversation when he gets home. God, it never seems to end!
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  WT Society Alters their History as " The Party " did in George Orwell's 1984

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  finally my wife and i got around to reading george orwell's " 1984 " .

  as many of you know who have read the book that " the party " or " big brother " as the ruling power in the book is called ; constantly changes records of it's past dealings so as to deceive the public about any false forecasts they may have mistakenly made ; in an effort to put forth a positive image of itself it destroys past embarrassing records or paperwork which would expose the " party " as a failure.

  much the way the wt society has altered their history to deceive the public and their own members.. notice this quote from george orwell's " 1984 " on pg.

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  4thgen

  Hello HowtheBible..... Yes, thats the one. The book is much better. It is available on CD. Great listen!
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  As a parent, did you ever have a swimming pool and invite neighbor kids?

  by 4thgen in

  1. social
  2. family

  being 4th generation, i realize that am socially stunted, in regard to those that are not jws.

  i am forging ahead and endeavoring to build a life outside of jw's.

  i am trying as i can to socialize my child to make friends and be a normal kid.

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  4thgen

  TWICE SHY: Thank you very much. It helps a bunch! Excellent advise. Thanks for taking the time to post. 4thgen
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  WT Society Alters their History as " The Party " did in George Orwell's 1984

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  finally my wife and i got around to reading george orwell's " 1984 " .

  as many of you know who have read the book that " the party " or " big brother " as the ruling power in the book is called ; constantly changes records of it's past dealings so as to deceive the public about any false forecasts they may have mistakenly made ; in an effort to put forth a positive image of itself it destroys past embarrassing records or paperwork which would expose the " party " as a failure.

  much the way the wt society has altered their history to deceive the public and their own members.. notice this quote from george orwell's " 1984 " on pg.

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  4thgen

  There are many good threads on this site with reference to the similarities between the WT and the book/movie “1984”. This one is especially insightful with some thought provoking comments and links. I choose bump this thread, so the the newer posters may make the connection.

  There is also a great youtube video on the subject

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c92sMSFsXxk

  It is amazing how the organization is becoming more and more like the book as the WT removes and changes its failed doctrine via the internet.

  Enjoy! 4thgen
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  As a parent, did you ever have a swimming pool and invite neighbor kids?

  by 4thgen in

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  being 4th generation, i realize that am socially stunted, in regard to those that are not jws.

  i am forging ahead and endeavoring to build a life outside of jw's.

  i am trying as i can to socialize my child to make friends and be a normal kid.

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  4thgen

  Very sad.....thx for the warning
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  Are you complicit if you stay in?

  by mrhhome in

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  2. friends

  i am going to throw down the gaunlet.

  those who know the truth but stay in anyways are complicit in actions of the jehovah witness organization.

  while i am sympathetic to the very difficult choices that they have to make, their unwillingness to confront the jw enables the organization.. some of you may remember my story.

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  4thgen

  The Watchtower seems to agree with the complicity of inaction stance.... Out of their own mouth.....

  (Joh 17:12) Those Pharisees who were guilty of complicity in the plot against Jesus’ life were described as ‘subjects for Gehenna.’

  it-2 pp. 639-641 - Insight, Volume 2
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  Sisters Witnessing in "Pants" now?

  by Atlantis in

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  witnessing in pants now?

  petra.

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  4thgen

  Notice the one on the left inthe skirt is NOT smiling. Must be the one working the stand. Happy folks r on vacation.
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  If You Could Tell A Jehovah's Witness One Thing~~~What Would It Be?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i really would just like to ask them if they believe everything they hear on the platform or read in a magazine.

  they seriously look like cultists.

  it is embarrassing..

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  4thgen

  You have been lied to. WAKE UP!!!
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  Pot...Meet Kettle. Kettle...Pot

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from a new wt article (may, i think) about predicting the future.

  and i quote:.

  religious leaders sometimes predict tragic worldwide events to warn mankind and gather followers.

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  4thgen

  A Jdub just left this magazine in my door. I skipped to the last pharagraphs of the article to see how they spun the conclusion. Here is what it said "Is there a reliable forecast involving your future and that of your loved ones?....The Witnesses are not psychics nor do they claim to hear spirit voices or to have any special powers of prediction.They are students of the Bible who can show you the good things that God is actively arranging for your future."
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  The Unwitness has a positive experience Sat. 11am at McDonalds

  by RayPublisher in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  interview with joel the unwitness:.

  http://youtu.be/bpwylueul44.

  an outstanding experience of unwitnessing occurs when a former jw happens to find himself at a mcdonalds around 11am on a saturday.... does pandemonium ensue?

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  4thgen

  Hey Ray & Joel, Thank you for posting this. You are onto something with this tactic. We don't hate them! We hate the lies! It really throws them of guard when you mention 'love', because they think all apostates are angry and bitter. (Sure some are and some of us WERE when we realized the falsehoods and manipulation, it's only natural at first.) They are not used to talking about love between themselves individually. And how can they argue LOVE, since that is what Jesus preached???? We can make more headway by being loving and kind. For those of us that have had years of ministry school training, let's turn it around and use it to teach TTATT. Thanks again for the post. It was inspiring! God Bless!