we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
Kate, can I ask you, is your god exclusive to you?
Which god is it?
If its the xian one although your belief may not do you harm personally
Think of the vast amount of harm brought about to others by followers
of this god this god actually according to some scriptures sanctioned harm
to people .
Why would you align yourself to this?
Then perhaps I'm being presumptuous and its not the xian god you believe in.
Best wishes to you
we often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
Surely all theists believe that god has had an influence in their lives which aids their decision making?
Whether it's through jesus, holy spirit or a supernatural directed organisation .
What then do they think of this influence if they decide to reject /leave that religion /organisation?
Would they have to believe that god , jesus, holy spirit had influenced them wrongly?
Therefore by still believing in god are they admitting the god they first trusted was false?
Why would he/she/it have allowed them to languish in a falsehood which they are now rejecting?
So if they still believe in god do they think its the same god?
If so what assurance can they have they would not be misled again?
Mmmmmm gods just cannot be trusted.better to rely on your own judgement about how to
LIVE YOUR OWN LIFE.
sam , "kate wild", asserted that i am an evangelist for atheism, o.k then, here is the atheist "good news".. "there is no god, now relax and enjoy life"..
AMEN now where's the party!!!
original nwt reads: "if any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our lord jesus christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words.
from these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions...".
2013 revision reads: "if any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our lord jesus christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion,he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything.
This is all about mind control no matter what rendering of the scripture is used.
As phizzy points out its a way of convincing the R&F that a demon is lurking in
every questioners mind.
Do they not realise it was only by questioning and even obsesivness by the old
brigade of their organisation that has resulted in the organisation they
have aligned themselves with today ie obsessed with money, business sold
through the medium of religion , one of the biggest money spinners
of the gullible known to man.(check the accounts JWs).
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
Well said Phizzy , D O T moral support and friendship can always be found on this forum if you have doubts /questions.
Best wishes to you.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
DOT , you obviously do not see the contradiction in your statements re blessing of gradual understanding.
Where in the scriptures does anyone talk about being blessed with gradual understanding.
You also avoided explaining , at what point did the blessing come?
Ask yourself, why would there be any blessing before the correct understanding was achieved.
Do you think god would bless incomplete or wrong understanding?
You cannot deny there has been many examples of wrong understanding/calculations etc,
My own brother (an elder) has admitted this himself as well as others I have spoken to,
A JW I talked to at a literature street cart also told me " I dont think we (the JWs )have 100% truth
I think you know you are just towing the party line,
You are DEFINATELY! NOT DEFENDING any truth, WAKE UP and think for youself not those 8 men
who now claim to be the F, D.S. in New York or wherever they rest their hypocritical buts.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
D O T, ..Can I refer you to your previous post 16 . You clearly state ," our core beliefs remain unchanged though
which is further EVIDENCE we have BEEN BLESSED with gradual understanding.
At what point in the gradual understanding did the blessing take place?
Will there be a CORRECT understanding at some point?
Or is each graduation seen as correct ie truth . You really have to be pretty screwed
to accept this.It basically means you will accept whatever those 8 guys come up with
WITHOUT QUESTION!!
IN post 17 you state the previous understanding was "not blessed" so I ask you again at what point was the gradual
understanding blessed even a gradual process has a beginning.
Again I would suggest you start to think for yourself and not be a pawn to those 8 men that you idolise.
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
DOT you say your organisation has been" blessed with further understanding".
Would you say therefore that the previous understanding was/was not blessed?
Why would god bless a wrong or incomplete understanding?
Does he/she/it not want us to know or is it a god game?
You seem to be playing it but not really winning.
Oh I forgot the rules can change and you have to play along!!
Notice at the end of the statement in the awake they also say"at times it has been necessary as understanding became clearer
to CORRECT views" .Is not to "CORRECT" to be free from error/true. Why then have they changed their views even after corrections? F.D.S being an example among many others!!!
What a hypocritical bunch of F D S (FALSE DELUSIONED SICKOS)
as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
D O T. You are an apologist for eight men.
It was not you who came up with their interpretations.
Why follow their thinking?
They and their counterparts have got it all wrong so many times.
Why not look them square in the sixteen eyes and say I''ll think for myself.!!
