Posts by jonahstourguide

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religious freedom my foot, cringe- worthy moments in FS

by sparrowdown in

i remember talking to a highly educated man out witnessing once and the subject.

of freedom of religion came up.

the guy simply asked if the freedom of religion we.

jonahstourguide

Too true sparrow, the seemingly benign elements often produce the most profound thoughts.

jtg

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Modern Day Governing Body Members Do Not Go "Door To Door" or Informal Witnessing! Why?

by RottenRiley in

what sorrow awaits you!

for you say that it means nothing to swear by gods temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the temple.

20when you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it.

jonahstourguide

Yep use and re-use of photoshopped pics and illustrations happens.

The study article illustration on page 17 of dec 15 2013 mag is a re-do

of an illustration in the "learn from the great teacher book" page 194.

Can't quite get on top of pasting stuff just yet.

I guess with photos it evokes thoughts of misrepresentation.

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An important question for active JW's

by Honesty in

jw
friends

if you and a fellow jehovah's witness went to a house where the homeowner brought up a watchtower doctrine which you secretly disagree with, would you defend it or tell them what it is you really believe?.

either way you are at a loss.. defending something you disagree with is living a lie and telling a lie.

not defending it and telling the home owner what you really believe makes you an apostate by watchtower society standards.

jonahstourguide

Laughing @ Outlaw....

" Good morning, we're making brief visits today,,,,,,HEY is that AC DC you're playing?????"

(Wait for response from householder).......

"I used to see them live in their early days! I fondly remember the Bondi Lifesaver nye bash" ....

jtg,,,,,,,,,

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An important question for active JW's

by Honesty in

jw
friends

if you and a fellow jehovah's witness went to a house where the homeowner brought up a watchtower doctrine which you secretly disagree with, would you defend it or tell them what it is you really believe?.

either way you are at a loss.. defending something you disagree with is living a lie and telling a lie.

not defending it and telling the home owner what you really believe makes you an apostate by watchtower society standards.

jonahstourguide

Well Honesty. As an active witness it's not that hard really if you apply the honesty principle.

"Yes you are right, our management team has backtracked on quite a few doctrines".

Sometimes it's difficult to keep up with the latest revisions, but I'm here to encourage you

to look into your own bible to sift through the various doctrines out there and find one that

you are comfortable with or even if you're comfortable with the bible.

For example do you believe that humans may be ressurrected to

live on earth again?????? Do you think we will ever see global peace????

And away you go, chat for hours and share views and listen to each other ,,,,,,just converse

with fellow humans,,,,,,, if that makes me an apostate then let the spirit in the sky decide.

end of story

jtg

p.s. I put an elder fs partner on notice that if anyone should ask to explain the 'generation overlap'

concept I would immediately hand over to him as I would be unable to do so.

Resulted in an attempted 'shepherding call' that I explained would be inconvenient.

we all gotta do what we gotta do!!!!!!

that is the real way to go.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

jonahstourguide

Congratulations 'Defender Of Truth' for being bold enough to

emulate the Beroeans to 'see if it's so'. That's why many of us are here also.

Continue to "test your faith" and you will be rewarded in a way that may

not seem strategic or logical from a human viewpoint. Enjoy the journey!

jtg

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

jonahstourguide

I checked my notes DD you are on the money.

No.

1) Because at the convention you mention the audience was encouraged during the

keynote address on friday 1140 hrs to "co-operate with adjustments". ( so are changes included?)

Doesn't that take away the basis for truth before I commence?

2) In the final address on sunday 1450 hrs the audience were warned to "resist doubt"

"don't allow yourself to think as Eve did, ' is it really so?'"

In my view It does come down to faith without certainty, bit like having a bet on the horses really.

An non jw associate of mine put it this way: "you can argue over the form guide all day,

but eventually you put your money on the horse you think will win, even favourites lose".

He then asked how good our form guide was,,,, "1914, 1925, 1975, how many times do

you keep backing a long shot? So what's your next bet on?" I replied " I'm backing 'overlapping

generations' in the last mate, even long shots win" We both split our sides and had another beer

and discussed cars instead!!!

jtg

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Incomplete quote,, does it make any difference?

by jonahstourguide in

in the dec 15 2013 study article page 19 paragraph 10 a professor jonathan klawans is quoted.. i found the original quote here:.

exodus 12 commands the israelites to repeat this practice every year, performing the sacrifice during the day and then consuming it after the sun has set.

(according to jewish tradition, the new day begins with the setting of the sun, so the sacrifice is made on the 14th but the beginning of passover and the meal are actually on the 15th, although this sequence of dates is not specified in exodus.

jonahstourguide

Yes you're correct Earnest, I'm mixing up the arguments. A George Howard quote was used to support the use

of gods name in the NT. There was a post some time ago regarding that.

jtg

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Incomplete quote,, does it make any difference?

by jonahstourguide in

in the dec 15 2013 study article page 19 paragraph 10 a professor jonathan klawans is quoted.. i found the original quote here:.

exodus 12 commands the israelites to repeat this practice every year, performing the sacrifice during the day and then consuming it after the sun has set.

(according to jewish tradition, the new day begins with the setting of the sun, so the sacrifice is made on the 14th but the beginning of passover and the meal are actually on the 15th, although this sequence of dates is not specified in exodus.

jonahstourguide

Thanks for your comments folks. Its what you would expect, quote the authority in context and let the

authority speak rather than structuring a quote to suit a different position. I actually had a disagreement with a local elder

regarding the john 1;1 quote. I think the scholars name was George Howard. An attempt was then made to "caution" me!!!

I guess thats why we're told we don't need to research coz da gb duz it for us.

Not a good practise as I see it.

jtg

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Incomplete quote,, does it make any difference?

by jonahstourguide in

in the dec 15 2013 study article page 19 paragraph 10 a professor jonathan klawans is quoted.. i found the original quote here:.

exodus 12 commands the israelites to repeat this practice every year, performing the sacrifice during the day and then consuming it after the sun has set.

(according to jewish tradition, the new day begins with the setting of the sun, so the sacrifice is made on the 14th but the beginning of passover and the meal are actually on the 15th, although this sequence of dates is not specified in exodus.

jonahstourguide

In the Dec 15 2013 study article page 19 paragraph 10 a Professor Jonathan Klawans is quoted.

I found the original quote here:

Exodus 12 commands the Israelites to repeat this practice every year, performing the sacrifice during the day and then consuming it after the sun has set. (According to Jewish tradition, the new day begins with the setting of the sun, so the sacrifice is made on the 14th but the beginning of Passover and the meal are actually on the 15th, although this sequence of dates is not specified in Exodus.) Exodus 12 further speaks of a seven-day festival, which begins when the sacrifice is consumed (Exodus 12:15).

and the second statement here :

Passover Seder brings us back to the time immediately following the Roman destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E.12 It’s not that rabbinic literature cannot be trusted to tell us about history in the first century of the Common Era. It’s that rabbinic literature—in the case of the Seder—does not even claim to be telling us how the Seder was performed before the destruction of the Temple. 12

As I understand the full article of jonathan Klawans, he doesnt believe that the "lords supper" was in fact a "seder"

What caught my eye was the omission of his reference that "according to jewish tradition",,,,, it triggered my brain to a quote in the wt of october 15 2013

page 28 paragraph 9 where the wt speaks of Jewish tradition in a derogative way in reference to not using gods name " We can be sure that Jesus firmly

rejected such an unscriptural tradition"

So, as I read it, and I may well be wrong, it's ok to quote tradition if it supports the argument, but just not say that we are.

I cant post the link to the site from where I copied the quote. its :biblicalarcheology.org and the subject was "was jesus last supper a seder"

jtg

Edited underlined the actual quote from where the wt sourced their quote

And I do understand that the seder is a part of passover that is performed on the first and or second day of passover.

My point is, I am finding it increasingly difficult to believe any "quote" inserted in the wt. Another case in point was the Albert Barnes quote last week.

jtg

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Curious change in December 15 Study Article

by Bobcat in

i ran across a change between the printed edition of the december 15, 2013 wt study edition and the magazine as a pdf download from the jw.org website.. whether the change amounts to much, i'm not sure.

but it is curious.

the change is in paragraph 16 on page 15:.

jonahstourguide

The Australian printed version reads the same as the pdf.

jtg