Posts by talesin

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Incredible documentary about the exclusive brethren and their extreme shunning policy

by Truthexplorer in

just watched this remarkable documentary about the exclusive brethren here in the uk.

their shunning policy is remarkably like watchtowers policy except even more extreme.

its heartbreaking how families are torn apart by such man made policies based on their interpretation of scriptures.

talesin

Right on, blondie!

We had this scary cult in my province - there are others. We learned about it when the father abducted the children and mother was fighting to bring them back to the USA. The cult actually moved away because of such issues - to New England.

http://factnet.org/children-and-northeast-kingdom-cult

excerpts:

The women of the Northeast Kingdom church in Island Pond wear babushkas. Their children are beaten with rods; the children are also forbidden to entertain fantasies. Members of the cult believe that we are living in the "end-times" and that only those living a sacrificial Christian life -- which is to say, them -- will survive; the rest of us will be consigned to the Lake of Fire. Jan has seen terrified children.

Cult children are not like other children. It's more than a matter of their not being allowed toys or coloring books. Their expressions are both vacant and watchful; they are preter- naturally grave. The old house, the silent children, re- minded me -- though I am not given to hysteria -- of a scene from Village of the Damned.

The state, he said, acted on these specific allegations, obtained during child custody hearings and from affidavits from former church members:
A named four-year-old was hit fifteen to twenty times for imagining that a block of wood was a truck.
A named seven-year-old was stripped naked by several persons besides her father for asking for more food. The spanking went on until her bottom bled.
A named three-and-a-half-year-old boy was "disciplined" until his neck bled.
A named thirteen-year-old girl was stripped to her underpants and hit with a rod for being deceitful. She had as a result more than eighty welts.
A named eleven-year-old was hit with a two-by-four for laughing at a church member, receiving a large blister and bruise.
According to Burchard's document, sworn statements by witnesses and victims attest to these acts of brutality; in several instances, photographic evidence exists.

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Incredible documentary about the exclusive brethren and their extreme shunning policy

by Truthexplorer in

just watched this remarkable documentary about the exclusive brethren here in the uk.

their shunning policy is remarkably like watchtowers policy except even more extreme.

its heartbreaking how families are torn apart by such man made policies based on their interpretation of scriptures.

talesin

Very interesting doc. Not only their shunning policy, but their language and doctrines are stunningly close to the JWS. (I don't see their shunning as more severe, just different.)

I had to say, got choked up seeing that young mother, with the infant and toddler, checking the pregnancy test whilst her 18YO fiance smoking while sitting next to baby. So sad for this child, really, trying to find love in her children, and so , so sad for the children. The whole image gave me a lump in my throat.

I did a bit of googling on their leader, John Nelson Darby (called the Father of Dispensationalism), and after reading the following information in several sources, have to wonder if CTR learned some of his terminology and thoughts from Darby, who by that time, had quite a reputation. The similarities in language are eerily similar, and dispensationalism is one of the foundations of Zionism, is it not?

New England - I didn't check the referenced map, but perhaps, Pennsylvania? Hmmmm....

[bold is mine]

He made at least 5 missionary journeys to North America between 1862 and 1877. He worked mostly in New England, Ontario, and theGreat Lakes region, but took one extended journey from Toronto to Sydney by way of San Francisco, Hawaii, and New Zealand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby

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Food for thought, and maybe some interesting research for anyone that is into it. tal

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Next steps for the Austrailian Royal Commission

by Coded Logic in

since the watchtowers' lawyers have (a) failed to make any recommendations to the arc that would bring the watchtower up to date with "best practices and procedures" (b) have failed to submit a proposal for victim restitution (c) have failed to secure funding for a redress scheme and (d) have completely dismissed all the arcs' findings - what's the royal commission's next course of action?.

i see two possibilities:.

) negotiate a settlement with the watchtower.

talesin

shepherdless - we are Commonwealth cousins, and I figured (from what I've read) that the ARC is similar to our system,.

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Also, in Canada, punitive damages are hard to win, and amounts awarded are pretty much infinitesimal compared to the ones in the USA.

Yes, class action suits are complex (it is an USA invention, but they are a very litigious society), but at least in Canada, it can be filed in one province, andanyone in the country may be able to join it. I won't question your knowledge of this, but merely ask if this may be the case in Australia as well? We've had a small class action suit here in Nova Scotia in recent years, and it was about CSA, and they won! The damages were under 6 figures per person, but it was enough to get some therapy and maybe a bit of a hand up in life for those living with PTSD.

I don't know why the font is SO SMALL, but I can't seem to change it. Apologies.

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Child Broadcast Star is Going Home to Die.

by Slidin Fast in

the february broadcast has an item which in my view exploits a young very poorly girl.

it seems that the girl is quite a character and her faith seems to be strong.

she was baptised as a pre-pubescent innocent girl and is purported to be a regular pioneer at age 13. now read what her local paper says :-.

talesin

I'm sure much of the $200,000+ in donations came from r&f members, who would be happy to contribute to the death cult known as the WTS.

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Next steps for the Austrailian Royal Commission

by Coded Logic in

since the watchtowers' lawyers have (a) failed to make any recommendations to the arc that would bring the watchtower up to date with "best practices and procedures" (b) have failed to submit a proposal for victim restitution (c) have failed to secure funding for a redress scheme and (d) have completely dismissed all the arcs' findings - what's the royal commission's next course of action?.

i see two possibilities:.

) negotiate a settlement with the watchtower.

talesin

If my understanding of the Australian sensibility is correct, they may be in big trouble. I could see that bold and straight-forward spirit that I admire, helping many to come forward. Think positive thoughts.

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WBTS goes to Court of Appeal (Charity Commission investigation)

by Mephis in

after a number of high profile cases where both children and survivors clearly weren't adequately protected, the charity commission here in the uk launched an investigation into the wbts as a whole here in britain.

the main concerns are around the child safeguarding policies being inadequate.

wbts have fought every step of the way so far.. wbts have been to the high court, who told them to complain to the proper tribunal.. wbts have been to the proper tribunal, who told them that too darn right there were suitable grounds for the charity commission to want to investigate their inability to protect children.. and now the wbts have gone back to the court of appeal to demand that the charity commission inquiry be halted.. i hope the court of appeal tells them that, yes, they too need to have proper safeguarding measures for children and to get on with co-operating with the investigation.. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-defends-its-investigation-into-jehovahs-witness-charity-in-the-court-of-appeal.

talesin

Nu?

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Df brother in shock I spoke to him at kh

by poopie in

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i was vis it in a kh last night and i just thought i try something new.

when amen was said i bolted out hall low and behold there was anot her poor soul just ahead of me so since he did not know me but i knew he was df i said a greeting to him he seemed greatabsolutely shocked and horrified thst i was speaking to him he acknowledged my greeting and scurried off in t i the night it was a great moment for humankind..

talesin

Good question who are they supposed to talk to? Worldly people? It is evil.
They will have to wait longer if the elders find out they are associating with "worldlies". They are supposed to have NO friends, NO life. It's like being in the cult, only when you are not DF you pretend to be HAPPY, you have PHONY friends, and they all have plastic smiles, too.
The DF person is to come in at the last moment, and feel SHAMED. It's all about the shaming.

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WBTS goes to Court of Appeal (Charity Commission investigation)

by Mephis in

after a number of high profile cases where both children and survivors clearly weren't adequately protected, the charity commission here in the uk launched an investigation into the wbts as a whole here in britain.

the main concerns are around the child safeguarding policies being inadequate.

wbts have fought every step of the way so far.. wbts have been to the high court, who told them to complain to the proper tribunal.. wbts have been to the proper tribunal, who told them that too darn right there were suitable grounds for the charity commission to want to investigate their inability to protect children.. and now the wbts have gone back to the court of appeal to demand that the charity commission inquiry be halted.. i hope the court of appeal tells them that, yes, they too need to have proper safeguarding measures for children and to get on with co-operating with the investigation.. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-defends-its-investigation-into-jehovahs-witness-charity-in-the-court-of-appeal.

talesin

Question: I seem to remember a Kingdom song that said, "we must watch how we talk,
watch how we walk" something like that. True????

Indeed. That clearly rings a bell, and I recognize the lines (chorus, I think). Thank the Goddess that the melody is NOT in my head. No JWS ear worms, thank-you-very-much! : P

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Mentally challenged DF

by James Mixon in

there was a df of a mentally challenged young man he sexually assaulted a young girl.. in jesus day people were possessed by demons but we know today they had mental issues.. do you know of any cases where a mentally challenged person was df.. the case that i mention the young man was 18-20 years old and it was a case where he was.

functional, school, friends and was baptized.

i knew the family and if you didn't know he was a. typical teenager.. my question, if a mentally challenged person is able to answer the questions to qualify to be.

talesin

If a person is not competent to enter into a binding legal contract, what miracle of Jehovah's Magic spirit permits them to dedicate their life to the WTB&TS?

Ayup, just like children. Under 18? Sorry. no legally binding contracts for you, unless you are 'emancipated'. Oh, but a *religious* contract - well, we don't interfere with religions, so deal with it.

I wonder if there is any case (in the USA) for suing them on the basis of 'alienation of affection'? Hmm.

As I learn and read more and more about JWS, I realize that my decision to leave it, was the only thing I could live with. What a sick and twisted bunch of self-righteous, pedo-protecting scumbags they are.

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Next steps for the Austrailian Royal Commission

by Coded Logic in

since the watchtowers' lawyers have (a) failed to make any recommendations to the arc that would bring the watchtower up to date with "best practices and procedures" (b) have failed to submit a proposal for victim restitution (c) have failed to secure funding for a redress scheme and (d) have completely dismissed all the arcs' findings - what's the royal commission's next course of action?.

i see two possibilities:.

) negotiate a settlement with the watchtower.

talesin

In Canada, a Royal Commission is one 'type' of Public Inquiry. Similar to Australia's RC, they can make findings and recommendations, but not prosecute.

I remember one Public Inquiry that yielded far-reaching results, and that would be the disbanding of the Canadian Airborne Regiment (of course, it still operates, under CSIS, in the shadows). This was because of abuses to prisoners (I believe they involved murder) and really disgusting and abusive hazing rituals that were practiced by the units (eg, being anally raped with a cigar by your CO as part of the hazing). It was a shameful chapter in Canada's military history.

Commission of Inquiry into the Deployment of Canadian Forces in Somalia (1994-97): This commission investigated the events surrounding the torture and murder of a black prisoner by Canadian peacekeepers in Somalia. The Canadian Airborne Regiment, which was stationed in Somalia, was disbanded during the course of this public inquiry.
For more information on the Commission of Inquiry into the Deployment of Canadian Forces in Somalia: Canadian Department of Defence – Final Report of the Commission

The WT lawyer has already been reported for misconduct. Perhaps there will be recommendations from the ARC that lawmakers and/or law enforcement will find actionable. That would be most excellent! xx tal

Sheperdless - excellent post, and great information, thanks. That the victims could be helped so greatly by the ARC report, is a good thing. I wonder if this could be helpful in establishing a class action suit? Oh, my! How many would one need to file such a suit in AU?