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  After 2034 - what then?

  by Nathan Natas in

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  ok, 'postate thnkers and speculators - we know (yes we do, admit it) that 2034 will come and go and there will have been no magical mystical armageddon.. .

  obviously, explanation will be in order.

  will the watchtower bible & tract society:.

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  Re: After 2034 - what then?

  Um, 2035? Just a guess.
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  Them annual visits

  by tazmaniac in

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  i just had my first "annual" visit since leaving over 3 years ago.

  someone in my family told me elder so and so stopped to see me.

  so i knew they were on my trail.

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  Flowerpetal's comment illustrates a good way to fade, if your circumstances allow:

  Move to another town or state. Go to the meeting there and find out who the Secretary is; give him the name and phone number of the secretary in your old congo. He will call and ask for a letter and your publisher cards. After you give this info to the secretary, just don't go back.

  The cards will arrive sooner or later and the secretary will realize he hasn't seen you for some time. He will file the cards away and they will be completely forgotten, as will you.

  This works better, of course, if you are not a servant or pioneer in your old congo.
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  The Preaching Work Is The Biggest Scam Happening On Jehovah's Witnesses!

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  the most useless work a jw can do is preach!

  the watchtower society said that every baptized person, whether they be male or female, child or adult, is a minister!

  and the society says every minister must do a "life-saving work" and "preach the good news of the kingdom".

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  Great posts on this thread and totally true. Here's a real mouthful right here:

  It's obvious to people, Scoob, that the preaching work, though undertaken by many sincere people, of whom I was one, would grind to a halt if the requirement of reporting time on a slip of paper every month was eliminated. You know that it's true. Deep down, Scoob, you know it's true.

  I know it's true, and I'm confident my "credentials" outweigh the scoobster's.
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  Life is GREAT

  by Beans in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  you know i was thinking tonight on the drive home "life is great"!!!!!!.

  knowbody can tell me what to do with my life and i am in control.

  i eat what i want, i watch what i want and i purchase what i want.

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  When's the seminar?
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  Righteous Brother Dies--Bobby Hatfield

  by blondie in

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  hatfield of righteous brothers dies at 63 .

  nov 6, 7:58 am est.

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  First the tide rushes in

  plants a kiss on the shore

  then rolls out to sea

  and the sea is very still

  once more

  --Ebb Tide, one of Bobby Hatfield's early hits.
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  Do you want to BE right or do we want to DO right?

  by logansrun in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not a christian.

  all the same, i do believe there are some very good biblical principles to live by.

  here's a good one: .

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  Brad: You brought a lot to the party. Thanks for your contributions to this floating encounter group. You helped more than you know. Cheers!
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  Them annual visits

  by tazmaniac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just had my first "annual" visit since leaving over 3 years ago.

  someone in my family told me elder so and so stopped to see me.

  so i knew they were on my trail.

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  Nina's comment reflects the fact that increasingly the elders are adopting the view that people who fade away are "not my problem." These guys already have enough to do and are not looking for ways to spend another night or part of a weekend chasing down people who just aren't interested. This view changes, temporarily, when the CO visits and chews out the elders for not keeping track of the flock; afterwards, there will be a flurry of phone calls and a few half-hearted visits, but within a few weeks things return to normal. If you're fading, "normal" is good; if you are downtrodden and in need of assistance from the spiritual shepherds, well... good luck.

  It's much easier for elders to ignore people when they are "move-ins." That's why nina and tex found it easy to fade away after they switched congos. Out of sight, out of mind is a working concept when yours is an unfamiliar face.
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  The truth about WT 'growth' figures

  by willyloman in

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  2. friends

  any discussion of the wts' numbers and the "growth" these numbers suggest has to take into account the inconsistency built in to their counting methods.. .

  counting time in field service is totally arbitrary.

  you won't find a memo anywhere that specificies exactly how such time is to be determined; it's left up to the individual.

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  jws: You're right, of course, and sometimes it doesn't matter what the real numbers are, if all you are doing is comparing relative attendance, participation, etc. However, these qualifications go out the window when fraud is uncovered.

  This board is full of posts by people who are still active but "fake" their field service reports. Others have supplied anecdotal evidence of a huge discrepancy in the way people "count" their time. The obvious conclusion is that the time published by the WTS in its annual report is, therefore, bogus. More than that, they are bogus by an enormous factor. Does each hour counted in field service equal half an hour of "real time?" Or only 10 minutes? Or five? Or less? What does that do to the "billion hours a year" fantasy report? Your argument, as I understand it, is: So what? The numbers are only off by the same margin as before, and still relative. I disagree. I NEVER used to fake my numbers. I was secretary for years and only a handful of people were "winging it" when they turned in their time. Today the situation is far more casual. I can assure you: Today's hours are yesterday's minutes.

  Therefore, ALL the other numbers are suspect.
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  Jesus, Mary and Da'Vinci

  by Sentinel in

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  2. friends

  did anyone catch this one hour discussion the other night on prime time tv?

  (channel 7, here.).

  i only got to see the last half hour, and i sure hope they show it again soon.

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  If only we knew the true story,....I wonder how much difference it would have made in the establishment of Christianity as we know it today?

  That's really the essence, isn't it? All of religion is about trying to parse a myth.
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  Is this really a practical way to live?

  by flower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i got one of those emails today.. you know those emails that are so profound and deep and are meant to stir your emotions.

  the kind that say you should send it to 10 of your closest friends and if they send it back to you you are...... like, superfriend or something.

  anyway this particular one was about how quickly life passes by and how we are so caught up in lifes struggles that a lot of times we dont stop to enjoy it.

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  does someone who lives carefully and safely for 80 years have the advantage or someone who lived each moment to the full and took risks but died at 40?

  Flower: It's the latter, and I'm old enough to know.