Posts by EverApostate

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Time matters

by I Faded Twice in

jw
friends

a few years back i was in a meeting between fades and it was the co visit.

he said something i thought was crazy and a lot of jws buy into this mentality.

i don't remember the talk but he asked this question.. what if this isn't the truth?

EverApostate

Thats a good math, wasting our lives for a cult.

Here is a shortened version of mine.

Even if this isn’t the truth isn’t your Life clean and peaceful. We Don’t lose anything.

I was provided with the same argument from an Over zealous brother, when I was about to leave the cult

My reasoning for this is, a normal person works for 8 hours, sleeps for 8 hours and the rest 8 hours is spent according to his will and pleasures. He can pursue a healthy passion or hobby, or spend time with his loved ones, or just relax during this 8 hour /day

But Jws are brain washed to work for the WT,for the last 8 hour, along with contributing their hard earned money.

1/3rd of their life wasted for just fictious stories and needless rules. Is this life worth, where there is only one life and in a short while we become non-existent…….. for eternity ?

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JWFacts is incorrect about "Holy Spirit". Do YOU know about the 40 or so years the WT taught there was NO holy spirit?

by Bad_Wolf in

i did my own extensive research as i was getting out, and by exploring actual changes and mentions of core doctrine, i learned how it came about that the gb teach that only they know the truth and only they get holy spirit.

i was checking if jwfacts had it, and although they mention many older articles, it seems they didn't realize they taught there was no holy spirit.

this was a real big eye opener for me, so thought i'd share it, and curious if any of you knew about this yourselves????.

EverApostate

Because when Jesus was with his apostles they didn't have it, but when Jesus left, he told them he would send the teacher, the holy spirit. So since Jesus is back, there is no holy spirit anymore

Thats a Valid point

However the whole argument of this is Just hypothetical, similar to :

Santa clause brings Christmas cheer in the month of December. After Christmas, Santa leaves his spirit for the people, so that they can cheer up, all until next december.

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What was the EXACT exJW website you first visited and why EXACTLY did you visit it?

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

i had two episodes of visiting exjw websites:one time around 2007 when i just googled "jehovah´s witnesses" and dared to look at those sites.

i was scared and i promised myself i would never come back to them.

however, that one didn´t really count.the moment that woke me up was this:i got to know that whitney heichel was a jw and murdered by another jw, because i overheard that conversation in a kingdom hall.i looked up the news and in one of the news comments, there was one where an exjw was complaining that they were hijacking her funeral and they were really trying to downplay the fact that her murderer was a jw... and then it said "visit jwfacts.com"... which i did.and the rest... is history.what exactly got you onto an apostate website when you woke up?

EverApostate

During 2002, the Silent Lambs Organization took up the Issue of child abuse and this was very much publicized on the media.

At that time during the TMS meeting, we were advised not to read any apostate material or visit any apostate sites. I was new to the internet at that time and really didn’t know how to search for apostate sites. Hence I wondered “what the heck do those apostate sites mean”?

During 2008 a JW friend of mine raised serious doubts about the 607 BCE. I searched for that in Youtube and had an apostate give an elaborate explanation about how WT had twisted that.

By then, google was much used to me and immediately I searched for “Jehovahs Witnesses”. A bunch of apostate sites came up. However the first few ones were Jwfacts.com and http://ajwrb.org.

Jwfacts.com was the site that exposed the cult wholly and its my Saviour too. Otherwise I would still be wasting my life for the cult.

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Influence of Babylon the Great is only increasing

by Ireneus in

according to jw teaching, babylon the great is the name for all other religions except themselves and predicted its influence over governments would wane in the last days.

yet we find just opposite happening!.

we saw russian government acting against jws, we saw president trump’s swearing in ceremony where church official had central stage ….etc.. here is another sample!

EverApostate

Very true, at least in India

Every year, the Pilgrims to the Hindu temples grow exponentially. The same is true with the Pentecostal and protestant churches. Pentecostal pastors get rich very soon, within a few years after starting a local group.

While i was a JW, I used to wonder how this can be.

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When the WT study goes beyond what is written in the Bible.

by skin in

in today's wt study, 9th sept 2018, para 14. we learnt that jesus mother, mary, is one of the 144.000 anointed at penticost.

just another classic, we know more than what is contained in scripture..

EverApostate

The title of this thread as well as many people commenting here are concerned that WT is going beyond what is written in the Bible.

Do they still beleive that the Bible is the (only) word of a (True) god, written down for man’s betterment and that WT is going beyond what is written ?

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When the WT study goes beyond what is written in the Bible.

by skin in

in today's wt study, 9th sept 2018, para 14. we learnt that jesus mother, mary, is one of the 144.000 anointed at penticost.

just another classic, we know more than what is contained in scripture..

EverApostate

If Holy Mary is part of 144K, then why she didnt attend the Lord's evening meal.

Am I missing anything here ? Please someone explain. My life is at stake.

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2018 JWBroadcasting "Higher education is useless" video CLIP

by Not_Culty in

sept 2018. https://vimeo.com/288327363.

EverApostate

Is insurance provided for the GB members.

Where do they if they get sick. Do they heal themselves with prayer and careful consideration ?

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Amway founder dead at 92

by neat blue dog in

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/09/06/amway-founder-magic-owner-richard-devos-dies-age-92/.

i've heard people say amway was a little culty for a business, and reminded them of jws in some ways.

i'm not familiar with amway myself, can anybody here elaborate?.

EverApostate

sir82, that was Hilarious.

And when they do (Memorial), you can't eat it!

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Amway founder dead at 92

by neat blue dog in

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/09/06/amway-founder-magic-owner-richard-devos-dies-age-92/.

i've heard people say amway was a little culty for a business, and reminded them of jws in some ways.

i'm not familiar with amway myself, can anybody here elaborate?.

EverApostate

I I was dragged into an Amway meeting once. A friend of mine was in Amway. He invited me just to attend a business meeting and said that I need not get involved if I am not interested.

He drove me in his car. Amazingly on the way, he listened to Amway Audio tapes on his car stereo, which was all about motivating, spreading and marketing the Amway products.

When I was at the meeting place, the same Love bombs happened, as in a JW meeting. People seemed to be so genuinely interested in my earnings and boosted me that I can earn a lot.

Same confessions from the Podium like… I achieved this, I became rich, Amway is good and so on. Finally a pot luck dinner was served. All this happened when I was a JW. It still didn’t strike me that my religion too is a cult like Amway.

Perhaps I didn’t realize the modus Operandi of cults back then

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Advice on my JW Mother

by InjusticeSystem in

i need the advice of those of you who are exjw's on what to do about my still in mother.

briefly, here's the situation: i am a born-in, never got baptised (thank the fsm), became an athiest about 2015 but haven't come out to anyone but my wife and some trusted friends.

my mother was raised in the society and is a true believer, but was never as strict about it as some parents are when i was growing up.

EverApostate

My mom and wife are still JW. My mom lives seperately and I got myself disassociated in a far away congregation. So far, the relationship with my mom and wife is as usual, except sometimes I start an argument with my wife to make her think

My mom is too old to make her realize TTATT. Hence I dont open any Bibilical Issues with her. I dont react for any of her WT activities. Just getting along with her and doing all I can for her as her son.

Had my mom been in the same congregation where I got disassociated, the elders would have poisoned her mind.

My advice is, Just maintain your relationship with your mom and make the best out of it. Its totally impossible to make an old woman realize that they are in a cult.