Posts by kaik

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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

by Xanthippe in

when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

still people find it so hard to leave.

kaik

I will say the biggest problem is social interaction. As a cult organization, JWs broke social network with their families, friends, peers, and dedicated their social ties to organization only. This cut them off from external environment and created delusional world of reliance among JWs only. Many members do not know anyone outside the KH and this makes the break difficult. This is especially true for older generation that lacks technology to interact in era of Facebook and mobile apps. My mom is almost 80, she knows that WT is much of BS as she does not recognize it as the same organization that she was 40 years ago. We have aunts, uncles, sibling, cousins in. If she leaves, she is afraid to lose social contact with them. My cousins who are elders will shun her. She may lose interaction with grandchildren. However, the younger generation is not as totalitarian self-sacrificing group as the elderly of the Knorr era. There is a hope that these people will have much easier way out and would not even bother with the KH social network.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

kaik

SimonSays, again if you want to comment on something at least you should be familiar with some basic facts. Knorr was in Prague and Brno in 1947. This was in period after WWII and before communist takeover in Eastern Europe. Jehovah Witnesses were legal and such had protection under constitution. This was already the case in interwar period. Democracy attempted to flourish after war before Stalin decided otherwise in 1948. Catholic church had no whatsoever authority to ban any other religious group from worshiping. Strict separation of state and church existed for decades. When communists took power, they undermined all religions including Catholic Church (1950), Protestants (1951), Jews (1952-53), and later with JW (1954). JWs behind the Iron Curtain split because many stopped believing Knorr's BS. They were at least three different groups with thousands of followers. The biggest splinter group existed in Romania. Brooklyn did not get them under the control until 1990's.

Any case, Jeremy parallel ministry along side WT is nothing new and existed 50 years ago. There were many JWs who had two baptisms and secretly partake because they were with one foot in Brooklyn and other in their parallel underground JW ministry. Double hypocrisy.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

kaik

So Jeremy, you created a parallel ministry to fit your religion. You are no the first one! lol. I knew JWs who used to do that in Czechoslovakia 25-30 year ago, where they had parallel structure along the WT and believed that they served Jehovah, while they disagreed with some of the WT BS. As Outlaw had said, you lie to people or you BS people by creating one of the splinter groups that rides on WT backs. In the 1980's there was huge group of JWs who were behind the Iron Curtain and called themselves Children of Jehovah or Witnesses for Jehovah and did not accept Knorr and only used publications from Rutherford. They were located all over the region from Czech Republic to Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, and Romania. Their reasoning was exactly the same as yours.

SimonSays, I pointed out your hypocrisy so you do not need to confirm your idiocy by using my avatar while babble unrelated topics on pharisees. You clearly said that you worship God for salvation. You want to earn brownie points so you are not punished in Armageddon. Clearly false motive to worship God.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

kaik

"Being a Witness of YHWH is not just a mission but a reckoning of love and faith towards your own salvation. I wonder do any of you have that type of commitment as you do with your regular lives anymore to speak of love not hate, happiness not bitterness, appeasement not anger since that’s what it seems your arguments are, why haven’t you found it. HMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!"

So you worship a G-d for your salvation? Kinda hypocrisy and selfish. The purpose in faith in God is to worship Him because we love him, not because you are afraid of punishment (hell, Armageddon), or for reward (eternity in paradise). This shows how deviant is your faith. Now you make too much generalization of people outside KH are bitter, angry or hateful. I am neither, I have established successful career in my life after KH, have stable marriage, and enjoying life. Yeah and I have commitments, but I do not need Bible for it.

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This Good News of the Kingdom - Zion's Watchtower - Zionism - The End

by LAWHFol in

i hope you're all doing well.. i haven't written for a while, my previous screen name was objectivetruth btw.

i look forward to resuming some good conversations with my jw.com family.. i haven't been active much of late, however a topic that i have continued to consider & study is modern day israel & the early watchtower's teachings on this topic.. this is part 1 - i'll post multiple posts, to help readers follow my train of thought.. first i'll cover the teachings and overall belief's of the watchtower on the jew's , israel, and god's plan for the jew's.. i've read a lot of the early publications.

the 2 most insightful publications, for me to read were (links to the book's in pdf format highlighted in blue) :.

kaik

Some Jews do not recognize Israel as their state on religious ground. Israel is state with one of the highest percentage of atheists in the world. Israel was created by mandate, and supported originally by USSR and to seed communism there, but Stalin failed. Nothing prophetic about it. Israel is also a democracy and not country run on antiquated, archaic law system. 20% to 25% of population there are not even Jews, so it cannot be called biblical Israel as it is not homogenous state.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

kaik

"The organization is imperfect, but" is common phase among JWs and their apologetic crowd. This also pertains to group of DFs people who consider themselves a martyr for "Truth"; see themselves as ancient, unaccepted prophets of ancient Israel; but believe that WT is the Truth. I have heard after my walkout from WT from DFs person that does not matter what, he will always be on the side of Jehovah, regardless if he is accepted in the KH or not. When I asked what it personally mean to him, he was not sure what to say. For JWs the centerpiece is the organization and less is to do with a specific established worship. If WT starts pushing new light of Trinity, the good JWs would not have any issue to accept it. Doctrine means very little to WT, and with it the faith to it, but loyalty to organization is foremost. The relationship to God is very superficial the most. How can society develop relationship to God when they changing their doctrine all the time?

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

kaik

" I have encountered no other people on earth who as a community so singularly exhibit the qualities that Christ said would identify his people." Whatever it means you are contradicting yourself. You cannot say that community exhibits qualities while in your reasoning claim that WT's leadership, governing body is rotten. Additionally, JW do not worship Jesus at all. Jesus is not centerpiece in the WT and JW worship, which is unique among Christians. He is not even mediator between masses of JWs, but only pack of small crowd of 144K remaining on Earth. The main Deity is Jehovah, not Jesus. JWs do not pray to him either. It is rather funny when JWs claims to be Christians, when in reality of their theology, they ARE NOT.

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Eighty-Four year old drives her disfellowshipped son to meetings and sits inside Kingdom Hall.

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

i have a customer who's son is a jehovah's witness.

he was disfellowshipped over a year ago.

this is the second time he's been disfellowshipped.

kaik

Drinking is a huge problem among JWs. Many of them drank heavily. As well as CTD mention, I knew man who died from cirrhosis in my old KH. Sometimes he will get so drunk that he will open doors and yell through entire block, but his wife was extremely orthodox pioneer. My JW uncle drunk a lot as well, but hid it from his family that he crashed at my dad or grandma. Once my uncle was so drunk that he attacked my dad tearing his ear and broke his head, and my dad ended in emergency room to get stitches. When I was kid this uncle often would sleep on the stairs outside the house as my dad would refuse to open the doors for kids safety.

Also in the early 1990's elders got so drunk after program in KH that one of them waddled out and pied on the street right next to bus stop in public.

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Apostate views?

by Richard C B in

if a brother is starting to look at material on the internet and starts to have serious doubts about the jw organisation and questions the integrity of the governing body.

what steps would be taken to by the congregation to readjust his thinking.

and also if the congregation is not aware of this but he has confided in an individual how would that individual try to help such a brother?.

kaik

My mom is in "Truth" for 40 years. She has accumulated a lot of books and publications, which she got bounded and keeps at her library. She was several times attacked by JWs in her organization and even by my sibling that she is keeping apostate literature which causes her to be critical of new doctrine. They even asked her to surrender her library, but I adviced her to donate to university as a specific study on JW doctrine.

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What is God's Kingdom?

by Gods_Kingdom in

what is god's kingdom?

some say it is in your heart.

some say it is heaven.

kaik

Just rolling my eyes. I kinda find it insulting form G_K to say that many of us who were associated with JW & WT do not know Bible nor have not read it. Many of the information G_K provides is mashup of various doctrines from WT but reciting biblical verses, but often missing important information all together.

Additionally, G_K, why you think that this forum is for Christians only or anyone just to hear Christian nonsense? As someone who is married to person of Jewish faith I find it disrespectful to have Christian views to pushed through my throat. To me what is written in the NT does not have any authority and this is NOT your door-to-door field service. If you want to debate your faith, you have to realize that first of all, not everyone is Christian and many ex-JWs are religiously indifferent to atheist.

Your diatribe reminds me why I have left KH 21 years ago, and why I do not respect Christianity.