Depending on what sources I have seen, the 1799 was not replaced until 1926 or 1928. So they claimed the end of times for 125 years. 1799 is still valid on the book in Harp of God in 1921 where on page 229 is published that "1799, marks, according to Prophet's own words, the beginning of the 'time of the end'".
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15How to change some significance of 1914.
by sloppyjoe2 ini first do not think they will change anything about 1914 for at least 20 or more years but one day it will have to happen.
since 1914 is their meal ticket and they have it in print prior to the year happening, they will never abandon the year altogether.
they have too much tied into 1914-1919 as well as have held onto it for too long.
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Huge Shift in Doctrine?
by Lemonp ini am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.
the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!
- all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.
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Vidiot, I did not mean that they will fade 1914 within next two years. It will take a decades until the generation of JWs who were attached to this year would die off. They did not change 1799 start of great tribulation until 1926-1928! Nobody was alive anymore since the time of the Napoleon's wars during Roaring 20's. -
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Huge Shift in Doctrine?
by Lemonp ini am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.
the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!
- all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.
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Yes, Finkelstein, they will need to fade the 1914 all together. However, have you seen how ambiguous and neutral WT wordings had became? I think they just trying to release couple BS doctrines and put wait-and-see attitudes to see which one would stick to the JW crowd. It seems that they testing what their members will accept and than groom it as the new truth. It is hilarious, but also very sad manipulation. -
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Huge Shift in Doctrine?
by Lemonp ini am not sure why more people aren't talking about this?.
the march 15 study edition of the wt has some major changes!
- all unbiblical "types and antitypes" are now dropped.
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kaik
Some of the issues are not new. Rapture was taught to us in the late 1980's, and this was the first time I have ever encountered this word. Rapture became increasingly popular with extreme evangelical movements and WT just jumped into the bandwagon with them. Other issue is a pushed by necessity. As 1914 became distant year in a human history, they need to unwrap all the BS that was based on this doctrine. One of them is the 1918/1919 idiocy when they claimed that Bible Students were chosen by Jesus after for 3.5 years he was examining world's religion and discover a pack of prisoners charged with sedition in USA. I think it was 1919 year when they started to claim to be God's exclusive channel of communication. In order to unwrap from 1914, they need to erase all the theology tied to it. Since it been almost 100 years, they have must create new sets of doctrines, but this takes a years to establish. I see it as releasing balloons in the year, and which does not get shut down will eventually groomed as a new "truth". -
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Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879
by jwleaks inthe first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.
exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.
jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .
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kaik
Early Christianity pulled the same BS for 400 years. When Alaric sacked Rome in 410 and Roman power collapsed, people could not imagine a world without strong state, and they thought that Jesus arrival is imminent. Millions of Christians from Britain to Judea were expecting the Kingdom of God to arrive to fill the political vacuum. Many of the refugees went to Jerusalem and waited. Years had passed, Roman empire totally disintegrated and no end on sight. 1605 years later, some Christians are still waiting. WT, if can last that long can pull the same scenario well to the end of the 3rd millennia. -
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How many here gave up having a family for the sake of the "truth"?
by stuckinarut2 inthis is a sensitive topic for many of us i know, but i am wondering how many here actually gave up the idea of having a family "in this system" for the sake of "kingdom activity or service"??.
start the count here with my wife and i.
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kaik
In my congregation we had several women who never were married, and were available after Armageddon. There was also couple who did not had children and the man died, and the wife remained alone for all these years. She must be in her mid 80's. Most of these women were born between 1935-1950, and they kinda sit together without family waiting for big "A" to get married and had children. I feel sorry for them as they wasted their life for nothing. In my generation, there was only one woman who decided to be single and not having any children. I also knew couple who could not conceive a child, the woman was very devastated as she went to many treatments and had several miscarriages.
On the other hands there are JWs who have many children so they can milk welfare and use it free housing, financial support from the state, and they have plenty of time not working but doing a field work. Win win situation.
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Having Faith in the Bible
by william draper ini know many on here have lost faith in the bible , is it possible that is because ones do not have the right perspective regarding it .
we have usually been taught by bad teachers , or ignorant .
i believe if we take an honest look at the bible , we will see that it gives us the best answers to crucial matters , it gives us some amount of bearings ( understanding ) , which without having such knowledge we would all be more like walking zombies in amanner of speaking , we would be lacking hope in something better , for surely something better is to come , how can we be sure , .
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Bible does not have Divine authority. Even in the late antiquity when Christianity became dominant, it became clear in Eastern Roman Empire and later in Catholic Europe, that Bible cannot be used as source for laws, or moral codex. Various Christian kingdoms had to compromise their beliefs with reality when it comes to laws and they had to pick something more qualified like Roman laws over antiquated, impractical, Mosaic laws of the OT. If we take away issues of slavery, wrong Earth's history, abuse of children, wife, etc., it cannot be taken as authority. Bible shows what long gone civilization thought about Divine order and they tried to interpret it such way. -
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All you men here, who does the house cleaning?
by James Mixon indo you help or is this a woman job?
have you change your ways since.
leaving the borg.
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I am working on my Master's, so I have little time for everything, doing full time job and the study. My hobbies are gone, and so is my gym. At least the second half is understanding and supportive that I cannot do everything around the house as I used to do. This is my first free weekend with light study after three months of hell with homeworks. -
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My JW family - hypocrites or confused?
by Faithful Witness ini haven't posted here in awhile, and have really been focusing more on my own life.
i haven't been keeping up with jw updates or issues, as it was really getting exhausting, and taking too much of my attention away from my priorities.
(i was never a jw.
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My mom feels that she was deceived by the organization and she cling into the publications that were valid 40 years ago. She does not recognize the WT as the one she entered in 70's when big A was about to happen. I know she is confused, she wants to believe that she serves God, but she feels that the WT and her KH is not the right place for it anymore. She was told that generation of 1914 will see the end, while watching everyone of them to die. She is 80, and leaving WT would end her social life, plus my sibling, in-laws, and cousins and extensive family would shun her.
My sibling is confused as well, goes back and forth with extreme views on anything WT say is true and everyone else is wrong including my mom. My mom has to hide all the old WT she had accumulated and some of them are back from the late 1960's. She had them bounded and she likes to read them through, but my sibling insist that it is apostate material and should be discarded. I told my mom to turn the material to local university library for research, so I hope she does. My sibling has period of extreme activity in WT and than she will suddenly withdrew and than return year later. We had not talked too much after my walkout in 1994 and we grew apart for next 15 years. My nieces and nephews do not know me as I was never mentioned. Lately I am back in the picture after series of personal crises my sibling had until I was the only one who could financially backed them from failed marriage. So the communication is better, but the 15 years been lost and I cannot ever get them back.
Sometimes I think back to my childhood back in the early 70's when my JW aunt started to study with my parents and introduced them into the cult. I wonder how my life would be different if my parents had refused to study with my aunt that summer. This cult just destroyed the family. My grandparents were together for 66 years and other 55. My parents always wanted to have long marriage like this but it failed apart after my father refused to get baptized (he said he see BS through it) and left us without ever divorcing to live with his mom where he died under her care.
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All you men here, who does the house cleaning?
by James Mixon indo you help or is this a woman job?
have you change your ways since.
leaving the borg.
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We do everything equally. I do not like doing laundry and I was never good in folding them. Plus I had share of destroying them by washing them improperly. My mom and granny used to do phenomenal job on it. However, I do all the outside job on the backyard, planting, mulching, painting, laying pavements, washing windows, polishing floors. I generally do not like three dirty things.. kitchen, floor, and tables. I don't have any garbage around the house inside or outside. Items are either utilized or destroyed/thrown away. My attic is empty as well.
When it comes to cooking, I am good cook, but I must be in mood. My grandmother used to be a cook for baroness, and she taught me a lot as I used to live with her on and off bases when my parents split up and my dad moved to her back. When I was kid, my father did all the cooking, and my mom did the baking. However, with crazy schedules and unpredictable work hours, it is sometimes easier to just go out.
The best way to keep house clean is dedicate one day to do thorough cleaning from morning to evening and maintain it clean.