Posts by kaik

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Your body of elders - were they liberal, conservative or moderate?

by minimus in

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in my first kingdom hall, the elders were ultra conservative.

our presiding overseer used to be a zone overseer.

the second hall i was in was moderate.

kaik

My KH was fairly conservative. Many were the product of WWII and Stalinist oppressions and have lacked emotion or compassion to others. Their attitude was that everyone has to tough it up and they saw themselves as martyrs for the Truth. Even if someone had died, there was never kind words to cheer you up. Many of these men were extremely totalitarian and controlling, and were not educated. They could be a great addition to be a prison guard they once were thrown in.

When I lived in the capital city, the JWs were a bit different as they were product of urban life and sometimes they like to go out to eat or dance, and were generally liberal. I knew elder who loved hockey and was going to his favorite game all the time. They did not suffer with the mentality of self-sacrifice as did elders who were living in the mining regions. I also recall many their women (wife or mothers) were kind, they gave kids candies, they talked to nicely to everyone, and asked about your grades. They were classy and product of the upbringing in the Hapsburg monarchy or interwar republic.

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You will never grow old in this current system of things... - Awake, May 22, 1969 p. 15

by cappytan in

check this out.

got this bound volume from my dad.. .

kaik

Back in the 1970's my JW aunt told me that I wont have to deal with school anymore because Armageddon will be just behind the corner, and I wont have to do any homework. 40 years later, she is long gone; I did both undergrad and postgrad, and Armageddon nowhere on sight.

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Chinese house churches start to missionise muslim countries

by fulltimestudent in

a lengthy overview suggests that chinese house churches are planning to end missionaries to islamic areas.. will it result in tragedies similar to the recent murder of two japanese?.

i'm going to post the full article in two posts as sometimes things disappear in the friction between chinese authorities and google.. link: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/906820.shtml.

dangerous missionby liang chen source:global times published: 2015-2-9 21:38:01chinese missionaries working in muslim world cause safety concernsa picture of local church in central asia taken by a chinese missionary photo: courtesy of a beijing church the past decade has increasingly seen chinese "house church" congregations send missionaries abroad, some with a focus on evangelization in the islamic world.

kaik

South Korean missionaries are already active in Muslim countries as several churches there believe that it is their goal and martyrdom to spread their version of Oriental Christianity among Muslims. Bunch of them got their heads cut off in Iraq, Afghanistan, or are held in prisons in Iran, Pakistan, and elsewhere. Generally in past 1000 years Christians were not successful in converting Muslims or Jews and this effort failed constantly from Catholic and Orthodox missionaries in the medieval times to modern Protestant and Evangelical movements.

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Where can Gay people get married in the USA?

by fulltimestudent in

it does not seem long ago that the answer was, nowhere.

and yahweh and jesus don't seem to mind, they arn't hurling fire and brimstone or making it flood everywhere.

life goes on as normal, people are, "eating and drinking, men are marrying men and women are being given to other women, just as they have been doing in many places on this globe for as long as humans have been on the earth.

kaik

I expect SCOTUS will eventually rule out in favor of gay marriage in the summer and it will be a law through all 50 states.

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How many JWs really believe the end will come "soon"?

by BU2B in

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this topic has been on my mind lately.

i have been looking around at jws and wondering how many truly believe the end is as near as they are told.

from my personal experience, i know that my parents fully believe the end is imminent and may come any time now.

kaik

JWs who are serious about the faith believe that the End is near, just about to happen. More zeal and more deep in the WT BS, the higher expectation in upcoming Armageddon. However, as Steve said and I have mentioned before, many JWs are apathetic and could not care less if Armageddon arrives tomorrow or in 100 years.

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Jesus died for US...technically

by enigma1863 in

for god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son and then took him back.

that's not love, its a big legal loophole.

people have technically died in the past, and by the standards of diagnosing death in bible times you could definitely beat 48 hrs and return.

kaik

drake, English is not my native language; therefore, there is difference between kike and kaik especially they do not belong to the same group of language, and this nickname is from ugro-finnish language which was Slavicized. Actually my SN predates my English as it followed it my since my childhood in far away place you most likely never heard off.

Whatever Paul wrote is irrelevant to the Jews. Paul was a false apostle and Jesus was a false Messiah. If you even bother to read a bit of Jewish faith or have at least college course on Judaism, I wont have to debate why there is too many fallacies in Christianity when it comes to ransom, and entire nonsense surrounding his existence. To Jews Jesus did not fulfill anything that would make him to be a Messiah. There is no reason accept him as Messiah when their writing clearly pointed out who he would be. Christian made a construct on OT outside of Judaism. Every rabbi would not have a problem to prove that NT is wrong and entire Christianity is founded on false understanding of OT. For 2000 years, Christians are unable to prove Jewish faith to be wrong, no religious Jews would accept Jesus, or reconcile the NT with OT.

Any case, I think I have a put enough on this topics. Jews do not believe Jesus is messiah nor that there is a need for mediator between you and the G-d. Everyone is free to believe what he or she desires. There is no debate on it. Jews and millions of other people do not believe in Christianity and the sky have not fallen down.

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Jesus died for US...technically

by enigma1863 in

for god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son and then took him back.

that's not love, its a big legal loophole.

people have technically died in the past, and by the standards of diagnosing death in bible times you could definitely beat 48 hrs and return.

kaik

1st century Christians were most likely Jews. Since Jews do not have a temple they do not perform sacrifices or offerings which cased in 70AD. There is not temple, no offering as their beliefs dictates that this can be done only in the temple. It is actually forbidden to make offering elsewhere. Therefore, Jews believe repentance for and of their own, individual sins directly to G-d (Hosea 14:2). For Jews back then and today; there cannot be mediator between you and G-d. Therefore, no need for Jesus. You are responsible for your own sin, not for sin anyone else. This is one of the central teaching of Judaism.

Slidin fast, when I was with WT, the entire concept of the Christ sacrifice never made sense. The original sin, being imperfect due Adam and Eve, etc.

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Will there ever be another campaign like the 2006 one with kn37 ("The End of False Religion Is Near!")?

by Magnum in

remember the 2006 tract campaign with kingdom news 37 - the end of false relgion is near!?

it seems to me that jwdom has changed to the point that there will not be anymore such campaigns.

it seems that the new rebranded jwdom is too soft for such a campaign; it's too feel-good, happy-clappy, and mainstream.. i just can't imagine a tract campaign like that coming from the new jwdom.

kaik

jhine, Christianity is dying breed in many countries in the world and their share in Middle East had decreased significantly since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire 100 years ago. Do you realize Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt used to have significant Christian population and today is it is a shell of its former glory.

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Jesus died for US...technically

by enigma1863 in

for god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son and then took him back.

that's not love, its a big legal loophole.

people have technically died in the past, and by the standards of diagnosing death in bible times you could definitely beat 48 hrs and return.

kaik

Drake, Christianity of today is different from Christianity of the 16th century, from 1054 split, or from being the minority faith of the Roman empire population. Any case, Judaism predates Christianity and my point is that no Jews could accept a concept of redemption by Jesus because it never made sense to them. This was the same in the 1st century or today. Judaism for much of his history stresses emphasis on direct relationship with G-d and there is no need anyone for paying up for your own sin. Everyone is responsible only for its own sin, it is not inherited (yes, Jews do not believe in original Adamic sin), G-d cannot sacrifice himself to pay debt to Himself. Again you fail to see what Judaism was and is about. Judaism also does not have centralized worship nor have central organization responsible for interpretation of their writings and faith. Jews do not travel to Jerusalem either to do sacrifice, nor stoning disobedient children.

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Jesus died for US...technically

by enigma1863 in

for god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son and then took him back.

that's not love, its a big legal loophole.

people have technically died in the past, and by the standards of diagnosing death in bible times you could definitely beat 48 hrs and return.

kaik

Drake, if you do not know about Judaism, please do not comment it. I am married to Jew, and all my in-laws are Jewish and some of them are Orthodox. Judaism does not have mediator. Judaism does not teach it. Period. You do not need it. There is nobody between you and G-d; therefore, Jesus sacrifice does not make sense in the eyes of Jews, their faith, and their cultural context. You comment my post on topic you HAVE NO CLUE! I stated that Jews do not accept Jesus. This is fact. Anyone to be professing Jew cannot reconcile Christian nonsense of Jesus Christ. Whatever is written in NT including in John 14 have no whatsoever authority for Jews as it is not considered a part of their holy writings. Somewhere in your post you failed to see though you evangelical indoctrination that there is entire religion that predates Christianity, have books that Christian misused for their own faith, and yet you see them wrong, because you believe your faith is right.