so i'm reading the book "the atheist book of bible stories" and something just occurred to me.. noahs ark rested on the top of mount ararat.
how the hell did all the land animals, dinosaurs and other monsters get to ground level?
did noah and his family just push them off the mountain and hope for the best?
Over the 100 years, numerous scientific researches were done on Mt. Ararat without yielding any result of Noah ark. Russians, Germans, Americans, and did various digs and remote sensing techniques on this tiny glacier and there was not evidence of something huge. It is not hard mountain to climb, I know elderly man who did it at his retirement. It is accessible, and not something that cannot be accessed.
Flood story of OT is nothing more than a myth and a moral story for the age it was written.
it would eliminate drive by's (gangs).
bank robbery.
( handing the bank teller a note, this is stick up without a gun).
we have done this before but we have a fair number of newbie's on this site and some are struggling with the question about other belief systems and non belief.
where are you now in your own mind?
here's a quiz http://www.selectsmart.com/nontheism/ that is pretty accurate, at least in my case as to where i am at this point in my life.
I have no idea what an Iconoclast is.
It was a religious reform movement in Greek Orthodox Church in 8th and 8th century dedicated to destroy religious representation of Deity. It was probably influenced by Islam and had profound influence on splitting Greek church from Roman Catholicism. In this movement, any religious images were strictly forbidden. I would say in your case, this mean a movement that is attempting to destroy any religious representation, belief, notion, or opinion, often under violent means as did Greeks in the 8th century.
we have done this before but we have a fair number of newbie's on this site and some are struggling with the question about other belief systems and non belief.
where are you now in your own mind?
here's a quiz http://www.selectsmart.com/nontheism/ that is pretty accurate, at least in my case as to where i am at this point in my life.
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
Why do you need an alternative? Do you need alternative to make totalitarian group better like replacing Hitler with Goering and suddenly the National Socialism will get better? JW beliefs are fluid, it is one of the religious group out there that does not have defined theology. Whatever fits momentary explanation to WT and JW crowd is assumed to be Truth. It does not believe to the same principles I grew up and I have left 22 years ago. For example generation of 1914 that will never die to overlapping generation. WT is rotten to the core, and there is not much to salvage. Catholic church at leas run hospices and nursing homes, or taking care of developmentally challenged, while WT gives a crap about people who are sick, old, or mentally retarded.
If you believe in God who created everything around and this huge universe, do you really think that he will leave with humanity this poorly written book known as Bible? The book with laws that were already obsolete in late antiquity and caused the western World do follow Roman laws instead biblical? This book where scholars already 300 years go knew it was nonsense under confrontation with reality, science, and historical studies?
i thought that the 1975 thing started in the mid to late 60's, but it seems the seeds were sown two decades earlier.is this the earliest reference to it?.
18 how many today are awake to the fact that the lord christ jesus, by his resurrection of the faithful bride members that slept in death, is taking his "bride" unto his father's house and the marriage of the lamb has begun' .... they do not say, 'it is a long time yet to the wind-up, and, according to the present understanding of bible chronology, six thousand years of human history will end first in the coming seventies and till then it is a long stretch to serve the lord continuously and undividedly.'.
... they keep their eye and heart on jehovah's kingdom, and not on the time clock.
it was always boring, and i was afraid that i was gonna get attacked by a dog.
i actually almost got attacked by a rottweiler once.
i didnt get paid for it, nobody listened to us, i actually had guys make passes at me while i was out doing street corner, i was always afraid i would get grouped and raped.
Diogenesister, Carpathian mountains are beautiful from Czech/Slovak borders (White Carpathians) to Polish/Ukraine/Slovak borders to Romania. Some deepest and best preserved woods in Europe, far from industrial city life. I was born in city, but I liked to escape for weekend into nature. We hiked sometimes up to 18-25 miles. The villagers were generally friendly, religious, and we can easily strike conversation, unlike in the city. We could pet sheep, goats, and pick raspberries along the way. My JW aunt tried once and was complaining that the forest trails were bad, and it was funny to see idiotic men in suit and tie walk through deep woods and mud.
Once we had elderette that refused to sit at farmer house by table because she considered the motifs demonic. It was hilarious. We were in this huge old farmhouse, and the old man had handcrafted table from 19th century. As in the mountains, the motifs were showing village life, sheep, wolves, etc, but this woman insisted that the wolves are satanic and refused to sit by the table or touch it.
Once I know JW family who went to field service into the mountains with their extremely spoiled city brats, and the kid was running around the cowshed until he felt into the septic tank/manure storage. They have to fish him out, what I heard he swallowed a bit, and they could not get the smell out of him for a while.
it was always boring, and i was afraid that i was gonna get attacked by a dog.
i actually almost got attacked by a rottweiler once.
i didnt get paid for it, nobody listened to us, i actually had guys make passes at me while i was out doing street corner, i was always afraid i would get grouped and raped.
I did not like to do field service either. However, i liked to walk with one of the elder on weekends through mountains. In Carpathians there are small villages and scattered farms, so we used to take a bus and go to some random village and walk through woods, meadows, cow and sheep pastures, and between houses we talked about bible history, life, etc. While I never experienced anything threatening on the villages, I heard where witnessed were chased by farmer with pitchfork and walking canes. I never like doing city districts, and some industrial areas could be dangerous. We had elder who was beat up by gang of gypsies.
forgive me if this has been covered before but i haven't seen anything about it recently.. in exploring the two faiths, mormons vs. jehovah's witnesses, which were both founded in the 1800s with the mormons being slightly a slightly older religion it seems mormons is a more attractive religion than jehovah's witnesses.
do not get me wrong, i'm not looking at joining the mormon church.
but i still enjoy studying other faiths and different belief systems.
JWDaugher, glad you pointed out your gay friend. I have exactly opposite experience. I know or knew gay couple not far from me. One of them was ex-Mormon, but died of natural causes at age 50+. He was with his partner for very long time and started to suffer with various debilitating issues due diabetes on his feet. Had heart attack, etc. Nobody from his Mormon family came to visit him once, nor attended his funeral. However, they arrived with moving truck with idea that everything he owned will be theirs. I am not kidding. Glad the state had approved SSM year earlier, and family was out of luck. So after a lot of argument with the surviving spouse, they got old peace furniture from their grandma and left.
please be aware of everything that is happening around the world at this moment in time.
this goes to anyone, ex-communicated, removed, serving, believer and non.
at this point in my observations i have realized many religions/ideologies know there is some sort "end of time" or a transition into a new order of living in this earth.
Big yawn
everything that is happening around the world at THIS moment
every moment was one point THIS moment.
his religion is completely correct on the context of the bible
On what level? The religion I left 22 years ago prior overlapping generation doctrine and growing up that generation of 1914 will never die?
it's always in my mind of the end being near
If is something like this stuck in your mind, it is time to see a shrink and get medicated. Every generation since the time of Apostles through that there were the last generation. Eventually Catholic church forbade doomsday beliefs in medieval times until they were brought up in the 19th century by crazy Northern American cults popular among pioneers.
Nature is even making a call, an insanely abornaml amount of earthquakes recorded daily by USGS.
Do you know that nature does not make any calls regarding earthquakes? Plate tectonics is vital process in recycling the Earth crust necessary for life on this planet. Earthquakes were also recorded on Mars... poor Martians.
Start to stock food
If WT would do it since 1878, I am certainly not interested on digesting food that is over 100 years old.
