I seen dozen such charts through my life.. Unrest here, there, sign in the heaven, constellations, prophecy, meaning of Revelations. Humans doing this crap for 2000 years. 16th century was full of these charts, graphs and images, some of them became a popular in the yearly almanac. Emperor Rudolph II employed entire office dedicated to it 400 years ago.
Posts by kaik
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20Well folks it looks like September 23, 2017 will be the new date of Armageddon, the Rapture or whatever.
by donny inwell folks you had better get your act together because there is only about 2.5 years before you are held responsible for your way of life.
according to "rapture watch", things are really going to start happening in 2017.. i am already asking the lord for leniency.
http://www.rapturewatch.net/timelines.htm .
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How is Genesis scientifically incorrect?
by EndofMysteries ini'll add many things in the bible i don't agree with, but the bible is a collection of books.
now to make sure i'm reading as closely to what is written in genesis, i look at this hebrew interlinear, because english translating and rearranging of words can change it.
http://www.scripture4all.org/onlineinterlinear/otpdf/gen1.pdf.
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kaik
Genesis is myth and nice fable stories that tribal communities used to share around the camp fire at the night. Nothing more. Earth, Sun, Moon are here because were are leftover of the supernova explosion. Genesis does not say it.
Life on Earth evolve from primitive to complex organism. Genesis did not know that pollen flowering flowers originated in mesozoic era, so there was no fruits bearing trees. Pollen did not exist until middle of the Triassic, yet we have animals and complex living organism. Entire order of the creation is wrong in Genesis.
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The god of the bible doesn't care and here's some proof.
by Crazyguy inaround 600 ad a man named muhammed created a book called the quran.
a few hundred years later the followers of this new religion called islam went on a holy crusade out of arabia to spread their religion.
in one key battle they were met by the ruling government army and were out numbered at least by 3 to 1. they could of easily lost and if god would of made sure of this most likely thier religion would of stayed an insagnificant religion of just arabia.
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kaik
Drake, I am not sure where you get your references from but
- Ottoman Empire did not exist at the time of I. Crusades
- The main sponsor was Greek Emperor
- Ottoman Empire did not crossed into Europe until 14th century
- Asia Minor which was the foundation of future Ottoman Empire lies in Asia (hence the continent got name from it) not in Europe
- I know enough of European history so I don't need a link from wikipedia
- Your link from wikipedia does not mention single word of Ottoman empire
- Sultanate of Rum which was the main intended destination of the I. Crusade was not Ottoman, but Persian heritage.
- Ottoman Empire was founded in 1299, while last IX. Crusades happened in 1271/1272
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The god of the bible doesn't care and here's some proof.
by Crazyguy inaround 600 ad a man named muhammed created a book called the quran.
a few hundred years later the followers of this new religion called islam went on a holy crusade out of arabia to spread their religion.
in one key battle they were met by the ruling government army and were out numbered at least by 3 to 1. they could of easily lost and if god would of made sure of this most likely thier religion would of stayed an insagnificant religion of just arabia.
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kaik
So many historical mistakes Jonathan Drake. Crusades were originally called by Greek Emperor to fight Sultanate of Rum which they lost to it at the battle of Manzikert (1071), and they had problem to recapture the their territory back. Constantinople appealed to help to the West, which just recently was officially split between Catholic and Orthodox churches (1054). I Crusades war born. It not against the Ottoman empire as it did not exist as the state entity. Initial success boosted moral and several crusades were waged to either preserve or increase the size of the knight kingdoms in Levant. For the next 200 years, Crusades fought Byzantine Empire (1204), Ayyubids in Egypt, Suljuks in Syria, and so on. When Ottoman empire emerged from consolidation of territories in the Little Asia around 1300, Crusades were in history. Do not mix with Crusades against Ottomans who were invading Balkans in 15th century. Ottomans took large part of Europe until they were defeated in 1683 at Vienna. Ottomans depopulated large part of Hungary, Romania, and chunk of Poland during that time. In Czech Republic more than 100,000 were taken into the slavery in 1666. Countless cities from England to France to Italy were plundered by Ottomans and their population sold to slavery. Ottoman Empire was extremely cruel and one of the largest massacres in Central Europe before WWII occurred due Ottomans. Widespread slaughter of POW outside Vienna is one of them. -
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I'm studying with Jehovah's Witnesses!!
by Kulotti79 inhello all... i currently studying the bible teach book and i'm just curious what information does the study conductor record about the student and is it passed on??
and they keep on saying "the truth" which is starting to get on my nerves.
lol.
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kaik
Kulotti79, in Czech we have saying when they trying to catch a bird, they sing nice to him. Moment you are in the cage and door locked behind you in the name of spiritual baptism, all the sweet talk and singing is gone. Any questioning of their doctrine is strictly forbidden and you do not question FDS. Nobody will damn rat if you are dying on the street anymore at all once you are baptized. I grew up in that cult, have a huge JW family and I know. My favorite JW hypocrisy time was when CO visited our KH and mention to reach out people were inactivate. Someone had mentioned elderly lonely sister, one of the women who never married, and available after Armageddon, somewhat disorganized, not always on program and never on time. They tried to locate her, but nobody knew where she lived in small city, but they eventually find out that she died at home and her body was discovered by neighbors by smell and was buried at the city expenses. Nobody gave the f- about her. Even some of the women in the KH commented that she may not be resurrected because she was not really good JW and doubtful over doctrine and may died as apostate and thus forever condemned.
As about being gay, JWs do not are what is your sexual orientation as long you do not act on it and do not have a physical relationship. I knew couple gay JWs who even were persecuted by communist regime for their faith and were gay and feminine. One turned out crazy and was stalking young men which was cause for his DFs and other broke up from the cult and lives with his partner while his parent (one is elder) never accepted it. The reasoning behind the JW mind is that you can be gay, but as long you stay celibate until the arrival of the new world, where you will be fixed and turned into fully productive heterosexual. It should not take long, time is running out for this world, Armageddon is about to happen, really, it is just behind the corner... since 1879! -
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Why are JW talks & publications never uplifting?
by thedepressedsoul ini was sitting at the meeting the other night and for the first time it hit, jw talks or magazines are never uplifting!
i rarely, if ever hear a talk or read a magazines and have it give nothing but praise to jehovahs servants or just praise jehovah and jesus throughout it.
they never just a read through the bible or just a bible story explained or told.
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kaik
Problem with WT and its membership, it is a totalitarian organization. As such, it needs to feed itself on fear and guilt of the people to survive and to control. All hard coded totalitarian regimes works on the same principles, let's be Nazi Germany, Stalin USSR, communist states, or Jacobin's I. French Republic. Such system works on denunciation and suppression of individuality. This is done by erasing anyone uniqueness, by collective infusion of guilt. It is like Robespierre standing at the Convention in 1794 shrieking that anyone who is not a model citizen and patriot is a traitor deserving guillotine; but refusing name names, he infused fear in everyone with doubts that they are indeed traitors.
So you have book study, some public speaking, WT analysis, and the premises are the same. There are people who are "traitors" in their mind and hearts by doubting what FDS had said, and if they are doubtful than they will die in "imminent" Armageddon. People are doubting their action, thinking, and attitudes with each study and try to comply to the model role in order to survive. They do not want to end up like opposition of Robespierre that was chopping heads in hundreds a week.
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I'm studying with Jehovah's Witnesses!!
by Kulotti79 inhello all... i currently studying the bible teach book and i'm just curious what information does the study conductor record about the student and is it passed on??
and they keep on saying "the truth" which is starting to get on my nerves.
lol.
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kaik
Run, run faraway and don't look back. This religion will destroy your life as you know it, and there is not happiness. The bible study is pretty much a study of their literature based on their own momentary interpretation of the Bible. JWs won't be honest about their beliefs and will lie to you to get to the organization. Lying is considered appropriate if it servers the purpose. I remember around 1990, there was a paper which put who was the student, what they studied, how long, when, where, and some other details, something similar what JWFacts had posted.
Any case, use your own judgement and be warned.
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Remember Those in Full-Time Service (1945 - 2015)
by jwleaks inthe saddest story ever told.
despite being childhood sweethearts, in the year 1941 they decided to postpone marriage and remain single and childless in this system so as to put the the theocracy first, albeit under the control of the watch tower society.. in the final pages of the children book john and eunice walk silently through the fields and stop by a great tree on the river bank where they had sometime before discussed their future plans.
the young lovers seat themselves down and look over the landscape.
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kaik
In my KH were several elderly who never married because they were told in the 1940's not to do so. I remember one woman who was probably the oldest person in the KH since interwar period (she talked a lot about WWII persecution) and she was single until her death at very old age in the 1990's. There are two women who were close friends with my mom, single and never married. One must be in her mid 80's, and the other even more. So many destroyed, lonely lives for publishing company. -
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Your worst convention experience.
by zeb inby a split second rescuing our handicapped son from being pushed down the stairs by a flood of sisters rushing out to see as the drama had started.. the main offender being a special pioneer..
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kaik
My convention in Prague-Strahov in 1991. It was summer, in stadium pan where temperature was soaring to 36C and we were sitting on the sunny side. There was no sufficient refreshment to replenish I was dehydrated. We had constant argument with family between my mom and my siblings and relatives who accused us being spiritually weak because we were dripping with sweat and started to be nauseous by afternoon. My family being extremely fair complexion had a heat stroke. My mom turned into red lobster and I was afraid about her health, but fellow KH did not call anyone for medical care as it was non existent. My elder instead started to criticize everyone who was sweating and said that brothers in Africa have to sit in the convention during much higher temperature. When I completely sweated through my white shirt and tie, I decided to sit only in my T-top, which caused my elder to sent me home. There was very little care for families with children who supposed to get refreshments and care, but they suffered as the rest of us. I was glad that my niece who was a toddler was not there with us.
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NEW LIGHT FROM SLO CIRCUIT OVERSEER "Warning, Blood on Doorposts", "The Couple who Missed One Meeting Died With Their Kids, Don't Miss Any!
by Trailer Park Pioneer insorry, i messed up before i could put the right title on this new light from our circuit overseer, his visit show's a great desperation in the organization's mindset, adding more anxiety and guilt to jws who already feel they don't measure up!.
hi, i attended the circuit overseers visit and got really angry because our c.o.
gave information coming from the governing body's chief apologists regarding "meeting attendance" and "the couple who missed one meeting and lost their entire family because they did not get the "411" when armageddon was coming!
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kaik
Entertaining. This kind of talk brings me back to 1980-1985 where the Angel of Death was imminent and these who would not be warned by message from the elders will die.