so the watchtower says they don't teach children to shun their df'd parents if they are not living in the home per their custody packet.. so what happens once they turn 18 and are no longer legally bound to court orders for visitation?.
does anyone have any experience with this.
did your child begin shunning you once they turned 18. curious how to disucss this topic with your kid before it gets to that point..
My child is 20 months old living with his mum (seperated). I see him every 2 weeks for 2 days.
I will use all of my energy never to allow our contact to break. I am determined not to speak condemingly about WT but to train his thinking faculties that one day he will make his own decisions, critically thinking and hopefully realizing the truth about WT.
used this method to logically convince my friend who is also dfd of one of many reasons as to why i shall never return and he agreed.
let me know if anything is false or misleading and we can revise :).
blood transfusions:.
I reasoned with the elders like that.
They said. Jesus did not break the Sabbath law, just the Pharisees interpretation of it.
yep, it's true!!
it must have near damn killed her.
it was a kind of smile that never reached the eyes and you could see the strain in it.
A lot of JW don't agree with the shunning policy. But they don't have the courage to critizise it or ignore it.
So the least they do is look at you and smile.
my spouse felt a need to tell to elders about me reading apostate websites and speaking against wt stuff , so they'll probably try to readjust my apostate thinking any time soon.
my spuse never see me reading anything but, during our arguments i did't keep my mouth shut and she knows that i had to read it somwhere and it wasn't jw.org.
could this get my in the trouble if my spose is the only witness and never spoke to another person about this stuff ?
No, don't mention jwfacts or any other apostate website.
If you get labelled as an apostate by your wife or elders they will never consider seriously what you say.
Because apostate are just evil.
my spouse felt a need to tell to elders about me reading apostate websites and speaking against wt stuff , so they'll probably try to readjust my apostate thinking any time soon.
my spuse never see me reading anything but, during our arguments i did't keep my mouth shut and she knows that i had to read it somwhere and it wasn't jw.org.
could this get my in the trouble if my spose is the only witness and never spoke to another person about this stuff ?
Hi searchfortruth
Can you tell your wife or elders that you got these informations that made you start to doubt on Wikipedia? On Wikipedia are also a lot of critical information concerning WT and Wikipedia is not considered an apostate site.
Only if you can't hide it anymore tell your wife that you found some information on jwfacts that is troubling you about xxx (maybe you know a matter which your wife has doubts too).
When you talk to elders or your wife, try to use questions like. "Honey, I just don't get it why we have to refuse white blood cells because a baby drinks a lot of them in mother's milk.
By the way. Human Rights Art. 19 says:
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression, this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference, and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Awesome
my wife is considering to let our kids participate, maybe even celebrate their own birthdays.
she says what can be so bad about just giving a little kid (who doesn't yet understand the bible) a day full of joy and happiness?
she herself actually delayed her own baptism as a teenager in order to celebrate one more birthday.
Job's children had a big feast at their own day (in some bible translation birthday) in Job 1.
Of course WT says it is not a birthday that rhey celebrated. But the same expression is in Job 3 where Job most definitely means his day of birth.
my wife is considering to let our kids participate, maybe even celebrate their own birthdays.
she says what can be so bad about just giving a little kid (who doesn't yet understand the bible) a day full of joy and happiness?
she herself actually delayed her own baptism as a teenager in order to celebrate one more birthday.
You can not be df'd if you celebrate birthdays.
In the elder "Shepherd" book it is only mentioned that celebrating a RELIGIOUS holiday (like christmas, easter) is a df offence. Rank and file don't know about that. Probably much more would start to celebrate it if they knew.
out of interest, and to formulate a cordial chat, would you give your top one reason for your belief or non belief?.
my foremost 'one reason' for non belief is:.
the historical evidence that provides an explination and timeline for how the modern religious doctrine's and dogma developed over time.. .
I believe in a creator (creative force). I am sure he / she / it is different than how most people or religions depict him. I believe he made the universe and natural forces in a way that life in endless variety is able to evolve. So I believe in theistic evolution. The reason: I and all other lives or things are real. It must come from somewhere.
Is the creator "personal", is he in a loving way interested in us? After reading a lot of "near death experiences" (especially of children and people born blind) I tend to believe he is.
in january my wife separated from me, because she views me as an apostate (to make the story short).. at that time the elders explained to us, that the bible doesn't approve of such a separation.
i heard from my mother in law, that my wife finally wants to divorce.
(when i think of how my wife treated me the last year i actually want a divorce too).. now my question to you:.
Hey friends
Thanks for clarifying.
LoisLane: I love to hear your experiences. Just a question to you. Would you have liked your ex to commit a sexual act in order for you to be free? How would you have reacted if your ex told you: "I go and lie to the elders that I had a sexual act with someone in order for you to be free". Would you have said to the elders "no, my ex is saying something wrong" or would you just be relieved that you are free to remarry?
