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  Will the bully be punished?

  by Schizm in

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  the following two reports are about a 13-year-old jw boy who finally struck back at the one who bullied him for 2 years.

  you will notice that neither report says anything at all about any sort of punishment being meted out to the bully.

  the victim is to be punished while the real villain got off scot-free ... without even a slap on the wrist.

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  Schizm

  Bullying is taught at home, imo. These kids learn intolerance from their parents, then act it out at school.

  I concur with what you say, Talesin. Yes, I think that's true in far too many cases. But I also think that in a lot of cases the bully has learned his trade from others at school. In the case where the bully has learned intolerance at home, the parents are even more blameworthy than the bully. But do we see the mother of this particular bully accepting any responsibility for what her son had done? What we see, instead, is her having said: "My son has suffered, too. His face is permanently scarred and the injury from the pencil required nine stitches."

  Wouldn't it have been nice to have heard her say something like: "My son's own actions is what caused him to be injured. He should be ashamed of himself!"

  Schizm
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  Will the bully be punished?

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the following two reports are about a 13-year-old jw boy who finally struck back at the one who bullied him for 2 years.

  you will notice that neither report says anything at all about any sort of punishment being meted out to the bully.

  the victim is to be punished while the real villain got off scot-free ... without even a slap on the wrist.

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  Schizm

  The following two reports are about a 13-year-old JW boy who finally struck back at the one who bullied him for 2 years. You will notice that neither report says anything at all about any sort of punishment being meted out to the bully. The victim is to be punished while the REAL villain got off scot-free ... without even a slap on the wrist. It appears that the only "justice" there will be is that the bully will have to live with the facial scar the rest of his life. Just think, he'll always be asked: "What happened to your face?" Will his reply be: "Well, you see, it was sorta like this: I was cruel to a fellow classmate for an entire 2 years, and after he had finally gotten enough of me bullying him he stabbed me in the face with a pencil." They pushed this boy's buttons to the breaking point and when he pushed back they cried "foul".

  http://www.news-daily.com/articles/2004/05/06/news/news1.txt

  Monday, May 17, 2004

  Bullying victim gets probation By Ed Brock

  Daryl Gray stood up after his sentencing in Clayton County Juvenile Court and, with a single tear running down his cheek, declared that he was not a criminal.

  Gray, 13, said he has been and continues to be the victim of bullying at school and was just fighting back when he stabbed another student in the face with a pencil during a March 9 class. Gray was found guilty of aggravated assault last month and on Wednesday Juvenile Court Judge Leslie Gresham found him to be a delinquent child, gave him probation and ordered him to pay over $300 in restitution to the victim.

  "Just because I was trying to defend myself they want to say I'm guilty," Gray said. "I feel like I'm going to continue to be abused at school and nobody's going to help me."

  Gray's mother Jeanette Gray and his lawyer Audrey Johnson stood by his side and said they were very unhappy with Gresham's sentence.

  "He is not a child," Jeanette Gray said. "It should never have gotten to this court."

  "The message is conflicting for children," Johnson said. "They're being taught that they can't fight back."

  Daryl Gray said that for almost two years now he has been subject to physical and verbal abuse at Pointe South Middle School in Jonesboro. The children call him gay and every day somebody wants to pick a fight with him. It has come to a point where he no longer wants to go to school.

  "They call me white, they call me everything," Gray said. "They even say things about my mother."

  But the mother of the 13-year-old boy who Gray attacked said her son has suffered, too. His face is permanently scarred and the injury from the pencil required nine stitches, the mother said.

  Recently when she was helping her son with his homework she had a pencil in her hand, the mother said.

  "He just shouted out ‘Get that pencil away from my face,'" the mother said. "I just wish that kids could go to school and be educated without going through all this stuff."

  On the day of the fight, Daryl Gray said, another student began instigating the fight and at one point the victim came over and started telling Daryl that he wanted to fight him. The teacher told the student to go back to his seat, but instead the boy sat next to Daryl and kept telling him he wanted to fight, Daryl said.

  "I got up and walked away, then he punched me," Daryl said.

  Jeanette Gray said she's done everything she can to get school officials to stop the bullying but all they have done is transfer him to another class.

  "His first day in that class some kid he didn't even know came up and hit him on the back of the head. He came home with a headache," Gray said.

  And she said that the bullying against her son continued even to the day before the hearing and seemed to be made worse by his appearance in a newspaper article regarding his plight.

  "He said a couple of kids started picking on him saying you're gay anyway, now you're going to jail," Gray said.

  Gray said she filed a request with the school board on April 27 requesting that her son be transferred to another school but Clayton County Schools Assistant Superintendent for Area 3 Linda Tanner said she had not seen the request.

  "We will assist her in any way," Tanner said.

  Tanner said that school counselors go into the classrooms at the beginning of the year and talk to the students about what kind of behavior is not tolerated. Teachers and students are also told to report any instance of bullying to administrators.

  But Tanner also said students who are being attacked by bullies are only allowed to restrain their attacker or ask for help from a teacher.

  "Students cannot fight back," Tanner said. "Violence is not the answer to bullying."

  During Wednesday's hearing Johnson called several witnesses to testify about Daryl Gray's character.

  "Daryl is a fun child. He has a sense of humor," said Gloria Fuentes who met Daryl through a Spanish class at the Grays' church.

  The Grays are Jehovah's Witnesses and Fuentes said Daryl loved to talk to people about the Bible.

  Also as part of Daryl's sentencing he will be required to complete 16 days of community service, but Gresham said that since he is active in his church the work he does there would be applied to his meeting that requirement.

  Gresham also required Daryl to join the juvenile court's family orientation counseling program, but said she was hoping to find some program in the county that dealt more specifically with coping with bullying. However, neither Assistant District Attorney Christopher Montgomery nor Johnson were able to find such a program in the county.

  "That's a huge problem," Johnson said.

  Daryl will also have to join the Awesome Inc. mentoring program. Because Daryl was 12 years old when the incident occurred the charges against him could not be considered a "designated felony" in which he could have been subject to a five-year incarceration.

  He could have been detained for up to two years, but Juvenile Court Judge Steve Teske said that, in general, the nature and circumstances of the incident are considered in the disposition of juvenile cases. Judges have the discretion to consider whether a child is the victim of bullying when they attack another student, even if that child uses more than reasonable force and is therefore still technically unable to claim self-defense.

  "In many cases the child doesn't have to go to restrictive custody," Teske said.

  Daryl Gray said he wants to be either a video game designer or an engineer later in life, and that's one thing that helps him deal with the abuse he faces every day.

  "I just think about the things I will make when I grow up," Gray said.

  What follows is a small portion of an earlier report on this same incident:

  http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/8576180.htm

  Posted on Mon, May. 03, 2004

  ATLANTA - A 13-year-old Clayton County boy, who said he was bullied for more than two years, will be sentenced Wednesday after striking back at one of his classmates.

  At his Jonesboro middle school, Daryl Gray says he has been hit, called gay and even had his shoes urinated on in the school restroom. But in March, Daryl, a Jehovah's Witness who had not been in trouble before, struck another boy in the face with a pencil. The boy was seriously injured and has been left permanently scarred.
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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

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  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Schizm

  ROFLMAO!

  Also: What would explain the long 65 minute delay between your post and it's being edited? Could mere frustration be the answer to that question, Farkel?
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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

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  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Schizm

  Farkel,

  Must I remind you of what I said to you previously?

  You really leave me with no logical reason for continuing this discussion [with YOU].--Schizm

  You've given me no reason for changing my mind.
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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Schizm

  Gumby,

  That was right decent and gentlemanly of you, and I respect you for it. Thank you. It makes me feel bad about not having chosen my words more carefully in this thread. I will be more careful from now on.

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  Little Toe,

  The entire purpose of a "PM" is privacy. That's what the "P" stands for is "Private". You publicly alluded to something I said to you in private via of "Private Message". Interestingly you avoided mentioning what you had said to me via your PM reply. I would ask that you respect the principle of privacy, or otherwise you defete the purpose of the PM option we have here. Perhaps I'm mistaken, and the "PM" means "Personal Message" instead. If so, "my mistake". In either case, whether "private" or "personal" I think it equates with the idea of privacy.

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  Gumby again, and others:

  I really want this thread to continue on because it's such an intriguing subject, and I thank Gumby for starting it. It will be at least Sunday, and maybe Monday, before I myself will be able to participate in it again as I am about to leave town for a day or two. Please enjoy it in the meantime.

  Thanks,

  Schizm
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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Schizm

  Gumby,

  The fact that you didn't respond as to WHY you haven't answered some questions with the comment you made, makes it a bit hard to believe you were joking.

  What follows serves to prove once again that you haven't been paying attention.

  What if he wanted to move somewhere else and there was no tree like that? Was that the ONLY tree? Did all mankind have to eat from this one tree.....or was he allowed to clone a few and scatter them around so people didn't have to travel too far to get their life fruit?--Gumby

  The Revelation account speaks of gobs and gobs of these trees.--Schizm

  This question (the one that you have reference to up above) was answered back on page 7.

  Up above you say "questions" (plural). That's not quite right, Gumby. I'll quote verbatim what you had said:

  You didn't address my question [singular] either about the tree being available to all mankind or not.--Gumby

  I would request that you refrain from stretching the truth, Gumby.

  Now can we get on with this discussion, like adults. It's really a worthy subject that you've chosen, I think. I only wish you would treat it more seriously. If not then I'll bow out of it altogether. Much more of this and I wouldn't be surprised to see Big Tex close down this thread. I can't personally blame him if he did.

  Have a nice day tomorrow, Gumby.

  Schizm
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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Schizm

  Gumby,

  The fact that you didn't respond as to WHY you haven't answered some questions with the comment you made, makes it a bit hard to believe you were joking.

  That makes no sense!

  LT...

  That does make sense! As a matter of fact, it says it all.
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  What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

  he was created with no sin.

  then adam sinned.

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  Schizm

  Little Toe,

  Your mistake, indeed.

  You really know how to make a guy feel good after having acknowledged a mistake, LT. Makes it all the easier for me to do the next time, ya know.
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  Have you got the "actulice" thingy yet?

  by Schizm in

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  just wondering if anyone else's computer is infected with the "actulice" thingy.. apparently it's spreading like wildfire.

  if you have it, or get it, let me know and i'll tell you how i managed to get rid of it.. (i think that maybe farkel or alanf sent it to me.

  if you have it you don't need for me to explain what it is to you.

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  Schizm

  Bwa hah ahaha ha ah

  Do you mind if I save this magnificent workpiece of yours, Brummie. I'm thinking it may come in useful at some future point. *LOL* Oh, no, I meant to say Bwa hah ahaha ha ah. I think I've ALREADY got the hang of it!

  Bwa hah ahaha ha ah

  Bwa hah ahaha ha ah

  Bwa hah ahaha ha ah
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  Have you got the "actulice" thingy yet?

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just wondering if anyone else's computer is infected with the "actulice" thingy.. apparently it's spreading like wildfire.

  if you have it, or get it, let me know and i'll tell you how i managed to get rid of it.. (i think that maybe farkel or alanf sent it to me.

  if you have it you don't need for me to explain what it is to you.

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  Schizm

  Brummie,

  I'm not sure that any "virus protectors" that you may have will keep you from catching this one. From what I hear it's a real sneaky little devil. Good luck, anyways.