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  Question: ONLY ANOINTED ARE UNFORGIVABLE ?

  by Liberty in

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  minimus got me to thinking in his thread about the unforgivable sin and judging apostates.

  i hope someone with a clearer memory than mine can confirm or deny what i remember.

  i have some vague memory that the society taught that only members of the "anointed class" (144,000) could commit the unforgivable sin against the the holy spirit because only they had been called by it personally and, therefore, only they could reject it consciously and willfully.

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  *** w92 9/15 9 Jehovah Forgives in a ***

  
  The apostle Paul alluded to such sin when he wrote: It is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, . . . but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame.Hebrews 6:4-6.

  So it would seem that the society here is referring to the anointed class.

  *** w92 9/15 9 Jehovah Forgives in a ***

  Only God knows if a person has committed the unforgivable sin. However, Paul shed light on this matter when he wrote: If we practice sin wilfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment. (Hebrews 10:26, 27) A wilful person acts deliberately, or is obstinately and often perversely self-willed. (WebstersNewCollegiateDictionary) Anyone wilfully and obstinately continuing to practice sin after he knows the truth is not forgiven. Hence, it is not so much the sin itself as it is the heart condition, the degree of wilfulness involved, that affects whether the sin is forgivable or not. On the other hand, what is likely the case when an erring Christian is deeply disturbed about his wrongdoing? His great concern probably indicates that he has not, in fact, committed an unforgivable sin.

  Maybe this helps. makes sense to me.

  Edited by - gizmo on 16 January 2003 3:48:19

  Edited by - gizmo on 16 January 2003 3:50:9
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  This Freaks me out!

  by Shytears in

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  edited by - shytears on 15 january 2003 19:14:58.

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  but i still want to hold on to the thought of living forever and ever

  And there is the golden carrot dangled before us, who in their right mind wouldn't want to live forever in the world painted by the WTS.

  • Never grow old
  • Never Die
  • Always Happy
  • No Pain, or Fear etc etc etc

  Is it true? Many of us over time have pondered on this question, and it's a nice hope to believe in, and it's presented very affectively by the society, but is it a real hope, or is it a cop out, or a way of manipulating the masses to comply with their doctrine? Do this, and you will gain that! BUT ONLY if you do this! This way an individual is handed a plausable REASON to avoid giving their all into living NOW?

  As witnesses we kinda put our lives on hold, education, carreers, some even marriage, and children, because of the belief that we would be better off waitng for the New Order of things.

  Look how a few simple words can change a persons whole outlook on life, is this manipulation, is this a truth, or is this a society's way of getting you to believe what they want you to believe?

  *** The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life (book) 1968 pg.9 ch.1 Grand Blessings from God Near at Hand! ***[Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]
  [as published in original 1968 edition]

  Also, as reported back in 1960 , a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." And he warned: "I know enough of what is going on to assure you that, in fifteen years from today , this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  This Secretary said that in 1960 add 15 years and you have 1975. Very convenient to quote a worldly politician huh? When it suits their agenda!

  Now notice the subtle changes in the 1981 edition of the same book.

  *** The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life (book) 1981 pg.9 ch.1 Grand Blessings from God Near at Hand! ***[as published in 1981 edition]

  Also, as reported back in 1960 , a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." Based on what he knew was then going on in the world, it was his conclusion that soon"this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  Does this sound to you like an organisation that has THE FACTS, or that believe in what they say themselves?

  It's a carrot, that's all it is, an illusion Hudini would be proud of.
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  Watchtower publications and Copyright Law

  by Jourles in

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  in the past, i have told my friends that if i were not in the industry in which i am employed today, i would have been an attorney.

  to me, law has always been an intriguing area to be involved in.

  not only does researching information that pertains to personal matters teach you the basics on how to conduct yourself in court and the due process of what is involved, you also learn many various laws that may have been totally foreign to you beforehand.. many times on this site and on other personal websites across the globe, religious entities, or publishing corporations, have been a deciding factor in what is and what is not posted, copied, and presented.

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  Thanks for the link Mike047, now I don't have to worry about it, I was going to pull out all the books in storage, to find it, however I still may do that, as I think it's the one before 1991, From memory it's the 1981edition.
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  MOUTHY. YOU UP TO YOUR OL TRICKS AGAIN?

  by Gizmo in

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  teeth definately out tonight girl.... thinking of you .

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  Hehehehe couldn't help but think of Mouthy when I saw that...LOL, it is funny huh?

  Hope Mouthy sees it..
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  It is NOT The Watchtower Society anymore?!?

  by email in

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  i don't know if this has been posted recently but... .

  i was just talking to a friend (a ms jw) that told me that he was told by the elders on a talk he was about to give that according to their last elders school there are instructions not to use the terms "the watchtower society" or "the society" or "the organization" anymore... but rather to now always use "the faithful and discreet slave" or "the slave"... .

  edited by - email on 15 january 2003 16:8:10.

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  In this way they emphasize the personal decision that each Witness has made in accepting Bible teachings and also avoid giving the false impression that Witnesses are somehow bound to the dictates of some religious sect.

  What a crock the above statement is, since when can the R&F express their own opinions about any doctrinal teachings?

  When you question something or insist it's wrong.... Whamo!

  Just ask mouthy.
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  MOUTHY. YOU UP TO YOUR OL TRICKS AGAIN?

  by Gizmo in

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  teeth definately out tonight girl.... thinking of you .

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  Teeth definately Out tonight Girl...

  Thinking of you
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  I guess this is a good time to say good bye.

  by Monster in

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  well half of you don't know me but all of you helped in one way or another you'll never understand how much.

  i wish i had more time to get on personal levels with you all but that's not going to happen now.

  i didn't tell my family but, i am kind of worried about the war, something tells me it's not going to be another six day war.

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  I wasn't going to say anything here Monster cos I really don't know what to say, it's all very new to me and well I just don't have the right words, except that there's a very BIg lump in my throat right now.

  Give em hell soldier! Come home safe!

  God_Bless_America

  Edited by - gizmo on 15 January 2003 10:0:8
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  Why Ozziepost is Evil!

  by Stephanus in

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  <rant>when i was a teenager and in my early twenties, there was nothing better than knocking off afternoon shift at the steelworks and riding my motorbike into wollongong to one of the many pizza bars and tucking into a large plate of scaloppini al vino bianco (veal in white wine) as a midnight snack before going home to bed.

  in fact, just about every pizza bar everywhere served scallopini al vino bianco back in the early eighties - i was spoiled for choice.

  now, it's a rare pizza place that still makes the stuff - if you find one that serves scaloppini, more likely than not, it'll be scallopini al marsala!

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  Prisca

  You should taste my Roast Lamb ala Greco - it's divine

  I'll be round Sunday, and I'll bring a nice bottle of chianti, now that's a nice-a red.
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  J.R. Brown Contradictions!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  below are some quotes that j.r. brown, mario moreno, and other watchtower society spokesmen stated to the media.. you can see the obvious contradictions.. here's the first one:.

  does the "two-witness rule" mean that jehovah's witnesses are not allowed to go to the police if there are not two eye-witnesses?.

  quote from "christianity today" - february 2nd 2001:.

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  Farkel,

  "Jehovah has lovingly provided J.R. Brown"...."he is so SWEET"..."Jehovah is SURELY proud"..."He's GOOD"..."Jehovah must LOVE"'

  Anyone would think you Loved him Farkel

  Just taking the watchtowers ... liberty to quote Farkel
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  Wipe my booty!

  by qwerty in

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  Here's the link Wednesday

  http://www.flowgo.com