The elder I mentioned who had read it thought that while he thought most of it were probably true, he still felt the Witnesses were closest to having "the truth." He's an intelligent chap who I know struggles with his faith, yet he continues.
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Just As A Matter Of Curiosity..........
by hillary_step injust as a matter of curiosity i was wondering if any of you know of anybody who has read raymond franz' 'crisis of conscience' and who actually remained a jw?
i have sent and lent this book to a number of people within the wts, even a co, all of whom left eventually.
one person remained due to domestic issues, but resigned from all his duties and remains as such.
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The history of Islam
by Elsewhere inhttp://www.islamicweb.com/history/chronology.htm
according to a pro-islam website... islam?s history is filled with conquest and violence.
i was intrigued by another posters post about how the crusades were in response to the muslims invading the western world... so i had to do my own research to see if this was actually true.. as it turns out, the muslims have a habit of trying to take over the world.
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Mary
I understand the comparison you're making between Witnesses and Islam, but would argue that Witnesses are a small part of Christianity, and that Islam has many subdivisions too, that's why I wouldn't say that Islam is screwed up - it's far too broad a generalisation. It has screwed up parts. But yes, it has remained isolated from the modernising influence of secular society and to our eyes appears archaic. But what is progress? The Enlightenment project to bring freedom and equality to everyone has failed, hence the rise of the religious right, not just in the Middle East but in America too.
While I oppose the submission of women in the Koranic and Biblical sense, I can also understand Muslims women's opposition to apparent western freedom which some perceive as degarding objectification. The BBC's Panorama programme on Sunday featured four Muslim women who wore the jilbab or headscarf entirely by their choosing, in one instance against the wishes of her parents. We believed Panorama when it exposed the JW child abuse issue, can we believe that head coverings are not simply a sign of religious oppression?
While you agreed that Christianity has a similar past to Islam's present, I guess you wouldn't say it was evil. If you're hoping for change within Islam, I agree with you, but if you're calling for Islam to be stopped (as Thi Chi would seem to like) then I would have to disagree.
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Just As A Matter Of Curiosity..........
by hillary_step injust as a matter of curiosity i was wondering if any of you know of anybody who has read raymond franz' 'crisis of conscience' and who actually remained a jw?
i have sent and lent this book to a number of people within the wts, even a co, all of whom left eventually.
one person remained due to domestic issues, but resigned from all his duties and remains as such.
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scotsman
Yes, I know of an elder who read it over ten years ago and he's now the P.O.
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Moscow's final ban on Jehovah's Witnesses!
by Joker10 inmoscow upholds ban on jehovah's witnesses
by maria danilova.
associated press writer leader of russian jehovah's witnesses, vasily kalin, right, jehovah's witnesses' canadian lawyer john burns, center, and spokesman for the jehovah's witnesses christian presber, stand in front of the moscow city court, wednesday, june 16, 2004. a moscow court upheld a ban on the city's jehovah's witnesses, ending a six-year case that reflected growing pressure to stifle minority religious groups in russia, where orthodox christianity is predominant.
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scotsman
There's nothing like a bit of oppression to make the Witnesses even more sure that they're right.
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The history of Islam
by Elsewhere inhttp://www.islamicweb.com/history/chronology.htm
according to a pro-islam website... islam?s history is filled with conquest and violence.
i was intrigued by another posters post about how the crusades were in response to the muslims invading the western world... so i had to do my own research to see if this was actually true.. as it turns out, the muslims have a habit of trying to take over the world.
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scotsman
We are in a time where we have a choice, we can try to rationalize this historical aggression (by their own leaders admission) away and start appeasements, and face a thousand years of darkness, or we can make the choice to stand up to this ongoing threat that will send us back to the 9 th century, if we loose.
Ah, the eschatalogical majority speaks! How do you propose to stop this incredible threat to the Christian West?
Mary, while I don't agree with Abaddon calling you names, your quotes from Khomeni aren't enough of a reason to negate all aspects of Islam. Have you spoken to many Muslim women about the issues you raise?
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There are two reasons why I'd go back to the JWs...
by logansrun ini was thinking about this the other day in response to the question, "am i coming back?
" put forward by jw who called me (a former friend).
i said that i would not answer that question since it would put her in an uncomfortable position.
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Ozzie
Yesterday I just finished reading Malise Ruthven's book titled Fundamentalism, published last month and he doesn't comment on any particular Americanisation of the term. The origins of the term are found in West Coast Christian American tracts of the 1920s, by Christian who believed in the fundamentals of the inerrant word of God as found in the Old and New Testaments.
What are the Australian definitions of "fundamental" and "evangelical"?
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There are two reasons why I'd go back to the JWs...
by logansrun ini was thinking about this the other day in response to the question, "am i coming back?
" put forward by jw who called me (a former friend).
i said that i would not answer that question since it would put her in an uncomfortable position.
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scotsman
Hi Ozzie
I'm not sure that I understand how the meaning of "fundamental" or "evangelist" alters with location.
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There are two reasons why I'd go back to the JWs...
by logansrun ini was thinking about this the other day in response to the question, "am i coming back?
" put forward by jw who called me (a former friend).
i said that i would not answer that question since it would put her in an uncomfortable position.
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Ozzie
Surley it is possible for a religion to be both fundamentalist and evangelical, they're not mutually exclusive. The JWs are fundamentalist in their acceptance of the Bible as the inerrant (not literal) word of God, and they're also evangelical. They're not the only Christian religion to share these qualities.
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7th day psychos!!
by boy@crossroads intoday, saturday i figured i'd take a little run to the adventist church to see how similiar they are to the witnesses.
after talking with them i just had to run to the computer, asap.. after the service, people started walking out.
i felt like walking out too b/c there was a lot of old people and they were kind of cliqueish.
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Boy@
You should try the Church of Christ, they're like the witnesses too. I paid them a visit and it was so wierd to recieve the same treatment that i had given to visitors to the KH. They sat beside me, shared their bible, and afterward engaged me in a instructive conversation. They had bibles of palmpilots and I was kindof impressed by that. But it was eerie how Witness-like they were.
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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #98
by ozziepost in'owyergoin' this weekend?
i hope life for you is full of hope of something better.. mrs ozzie and i went to a picnic with friends today.
glorious winter sunshine at a 'country music style' picnic grounds and showgrounds.
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scotsman
I'm a bit bewildered. Were/are there witnesses who disaproved of hair dye?! My God that's a hoot!