No, just Mhairi Cameron.
Nice clear recording btw Matt. Superficially it's reminding me of how much I hated veing called "brother".
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What really matters to the elders- Podcast 9 Judicial Hearing
by Hobo Ken inthis is the next part of the story, when the judicial hearings begin.
click on the link here to listen...deathorobedience.blogspot.com.
also free on itunes here.
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Do you have any strawberries recipe?
by asilentone ini would like to know what to mix strawberries with, any suggestions would be very much appreciated.
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Mix with broken meringue and thick cream = Eton Mess.
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Could a gay-lesbian candidate be elected President?
by The Berean inthere was a time when blacks and women could not even vote.
so what's next?.
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It's a slippery slope, if you allow a glbt President you'll end up having siblings asking to stand for election or maybe a monkey will be put up as a front by Neo-cons...
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Could a gay-lesbian candidate be elected President?
by The Berean inthere was a time when blacks and women could not even vote.
so what's next?.
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You mean like James Buchanan, the 15th President....?
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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Jesus, Ronnie Hunter will be loving this attention!
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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broken by an outside source or from within?
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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scotsman
Yep, the sands shift and the beach is still there. My old congregation shrank for a few years but is now bigger than ever due to immigration.
Apologies if I've come off as a stuck up east coast w*nker, and good luck on your journeys.
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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I'm not having a go at anyone here but what does rattling Ronnie accomplish? He's a nobody unless you acknowledge his position within the Witnesses.
I probably shouldn't post here as I've been out too long and have seen regular waves of people leave the Witnesses trying to leave and make a point at the same time. Leaving is the point, and i think that leaving while having a fight with them is more individually damaging than just walking away. You loose your family and friends either way, the fighting is exasperating and there's little evidence to suggest that it's productive in freeing others. Walking away and living a fulfilled life seems to be as successful in drawing others out. I know you are praying for the local Witnesses PP, and presumably feel that's more powerful than arguing about 607?!
Controversially I sort of agreed with Ronnie that, from a JW perspective, altering your belief in God/Jesus is worse than sexual immorality. They see recovery from immorailtyas possible, it being a human frailty, but there's no turning back from disagreeing with their concept of heavenly hiearchy. A change in thought is that great terror of 'apostasy'. It irritated me tremendously that when I left expressing my disbelief in god, they left me alone, but 12 months later when they thought I might be immoral they chased after me, when disbelieving in god was surely the greater 'sin'.
I was publicly marked too, on my last ever meeting, and could have viewed it as humliating to have my life described but not named from the platform. Instead it made me realise that there wasn't anything I could do from within the monolith and that people I had known all my life were about to mistreat me. It was momentarily horrific, but fundamentally liberating.
Hope it works out that way for you too Hobo K and IKA.
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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scotsman
Sometimes I wonder if challenging elders like Ronnie is a bit like challenging the BNP - fruitless, and increases their sense of self worth.
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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall
by Hobo Ken inthis is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.
he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.
this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.
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counted as a man for doing so
by who? that sounds rather unreconstructed talk to me - women needing protected from elders... is he still the head of the house?? one could wonder why she didn't stroll into the KH and challenge Ronnie herself, that would have made an exceptionally interesting recording....