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  If a JW girl falls pregnant to a 'worldly person'...before marriage??

  by Lantana in

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  i've had many encounters with jw's throughout the years and i've found them to be decent, caring people.

  i've attending meetings, read a number of awake!

  and watchtower publications and so on and so forth.. the book 'crisis of conscious' by ray franz was really eye-opening for me and served as a strong warning for those about to enter the organisation...its easy to fill in the blanks from there -- i never became a jw.

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  Back to my example, suppose this girl of 16 was Baptized, told her parents she was pregnant and was disfellowshipped by the organisation. Are there examples of parents overriding the organisation, or is it simply get disfellowshipped -- have the baby -- then get reinstated if repentant? If the parents wish to control it instead and rail against the rules, are they given the boot too?

  It's highly unlikely the parents will have a say. If she's baptized she stands as an individual before the judicial committee and if her parents kicked up a fuss there'd be repercussions for them. Even if she is disfellowshipped it is within the realms of possibility that the parents will continue to house and care for their daughter and grandchild, although being kicked out the house is also a possibility if the parents are hardliners. In my experience, grandchildren permit JWs to be more lenient in shunning, although not always.
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  Long term faders

  by scotsman in

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  just reading some of the confirmations re the amalgamation of the group study with the tms/sm i see those that have had conversations with their po have been on the board since 2002 (eg yesidid and alligator wisdom).

  6 years fading, how the hell are you coping??

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  re your comments Blondie: You may have faded, but you have actually left. I'm referring to those that have been on the board long term and still attend meetings and I'm not being critical. I attended meetings for 6 months knowing full well I thought it all baloney, and I felt like my head would burst.
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  Long term faders

  by scotsman in

  1. jw
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  just reading some of the confirmations re the amalgamation of the group study with the tms/sm i see those that have had conversations with their po have been on the board since 2002 (eg yesidid and alligator wisdom).

  6 years fading, how the hell are you coping??

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  scotsman

  Just reading some of the confirmations re the amalgamation of the group study with the TMS/SM I see those that have had conversations with their PO have been on the board since 2002 (eg yesidid and Alligator Wisdom)

  6 years fading, how the hell are you coping???
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  If a JW girl falls pregnant to a 'worldly person'...before marriage??

  by Lantana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've had many encounters with jw's throughout the years and i've found them to be decent, caring people.

  i've attending meetings, read a number of awake!

  and watchtower publications and so on and so forth.. the book 'crisis of conscious' by ray franz was really eye-opening for me and served as a strong warning for those about to enter the organisation...its easy to fill in the blanks from there -- i never became a jw.

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  She'll have to be baptised to be disfellowshipped. I take it she is....
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  When You Were a JWD Newbie - Were You Shown a Warm Welcome ?

  by flipper in

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  one thing we all have in common - everybody who started posting on jwd , were all " new " posters in the beginning on this board.

  so take yourself back in time for a minute - how were you received here ?

  did people welcome you warmly ?

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  There was no welcome committee when I joined, but I wasn't looking for one, nor was I looking for an online community to belong to. It's a discussion forum, not a club. To me.
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  Next big announcement: All Circuirt Overseers Sacked!

  by slimboyfat in

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  so what is the ending of the congregation book study really all about?

  surely the biggest winner in this new arrangement is the circuit overseer.

  now he only has to take two meetings during his visit and will only "work" from thursday to sunday.

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  I just told my mother about it. She's a little disappointed as she liked the informal and intimate nature of the BS. Plus, as she lives alone she likes the company. She says it'll alleviate pressure on families and thinks they TMS/SM is the most variable meeting in terms of quality - either being very good or a real drag so is happy for it to be truncated.

  And of course it's all due to simplification.
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  OK, so I revised the letter mostly becasue of Scottsman... please read

  by dawg in

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  dad, .

  since our time on this planet is short, i wanted to take a moment and tell you that you were the person that i loved more than any other person in the world.

  nothing has made me sadder than the events that have surrounded this last year; events that were years in the making yet in my mind were unavoidable.

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  Dawg, it's a good letter (if you can describe something this sad as good). But if it's returned without being opened as others have been, I'd still suggest that you send the postcard saying "i love you" as it's very clear from both your letters that despite how hurt you are, you love him. My dad died before I left the JWs and I know he would have behaved just like yours has and I'm kind of relieved that I was spared it.

  All the best at finding closure.
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  Could it happen here?

  by BurnTheShips in

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  this thread, and others like it, got me thinking that, if this board is representative of society, there is definitely an anti-theist wind blowing in western nations, much more so in europe than here in the united states.

  could it happen here as it happened there?.

  from edward j. derwinski "religious persecution in the soviet union - transcript".

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  Hillary

  For example, last night I tuned into a US TV evangelist show and caught a snow-haired preacher summing up all he knew about evolution in two sentences and calling those who believe in evolution as 'stupid infidels'. Such talk would not even reach the screens in the UK, not through banning, but with a knowledge that their would not be an audeince for such tripe.

  It may not reach the terrestrial channels but the majority here have gone cable/satellite and we now have the entertaining delight's of TV evangelism in the UK. Benny Hinn is my favourite, so shameless!

  The secular turn of Western Europe could be just a short interlude before a return to what appears to be the religious default mode. I hope not but I'm not foolish enough to think the state we find ourselves in is guaranteed to continue.
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  Long last letter to dad...please comment-not mailed yet

  by dawg in

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  dad, .

  i doubt youll even read this letter since it comes from your son, a son youve abandoned over your religious views, but i wanted to write you one final letter to see if theres any hope that you can come to your senses as far as this religion goes and we can renew our relationship.

  im doing this because i care for you and mom deeply and feel very much distressed that you two refuse to see anyones opinion as being factual other than your own when it concerns the jw religion.

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  Personally I would send the letter to him (keeping a copy), if it is returned unopened, or you get no reply, I would then send it to his local newspaper, after all, what have you got to lose at that point?

  I'd also send a copy to my local newspapers EDITORIAL PAGE for the publics viewing of what this cult does to and with its children.

  This would be a major statement about Jehovah's Witnesses but it would show complete disregard for your dad. If your aim is to irrepairably hurt him, fine, but if you do love him and want him in your life it's a horrific approach. I hate disfellowsipping and shunning and the nameing and shaming that Witnesses engage in and this smacks of an equivalent.

  Dawg, I really empathise with your situation but don't think sending such an accusatory letter will make your dad change or make you feel any better. Getting it sent back will frustrate you and continue the cycle. I'm pretty surprised at the vengeful nature of the advice on here. Maybe I'm a sap, but it works well for me.
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  Long last letter to dad...please comment-not mailed yet

  by dawg in

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  dad, .

  i doubt youll even read this letter since it comes from your son, a son youve abandoned over your religious views, but i wanted to write you one final letter to see if theres any hope that you can come to your senses as far as this religion goes and we can renew our relationship.

  im doing this because i care for you and mom deeply and feel very much distressed that you two refuse to see anyones opinion as being factual other than your own when it concerns the jw religion.

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  scotsman

  Intense indeed. But he's returned all your other letters unopened? send him a post card, tell him that you love him and that your door will always be open to him, no conditions or accusations. If it's your last word to him make it simple and positive. You're the better man.