Posts by ClassAvenger

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God Helps Everyone?

by ClassAvenger in

i talked with a jehovah witness and he told me that god only helped those who obeyed him, that it said somewhere in the bible.

the discussion came when i told him about soldiers asking god for help.

he said that god wouldn't listent to them because the soldiers knew they were sinning by killing and they kept on doing it.

I talked with a Jehovah Witness and he told me that God only helped those who obeyed him, that it said somewhere in the bible. The discussion came when I told him about soldiers asking God for help. He said that God wouldn't listent to them because the soldiers knew they were sinning by killing and they kept on doing it. Where is this versicle where it says that God only helps those who obey him?

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Doubting the Trinity and Paradise

by ClassAvenger in

i don't doubt the trinity, but again i had a talk with one of my jw friends and he gave me several bible passages which he wants me to explain, most deal with the trinity, and others deal with the belief in heaven.

he says that they show that jesus was less than his father, and was a separate person, and the others state that paradise will be here on earth.

argument: how come no one has seen god, not even jesus?

ClassAvenger

DJ, Im sorry to hear that about your dad. Thanks for all the information you sent me, it is really, really, really helpful. Thanks a lot.

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Doubting the Trinity and Paradise

by ClassAvenger in

i don't doubt the trinity, but again i had a talk with one of my jw friends and he gave me several bible passages which he wants me to explain, most deal with the trinity, and others deal with the belief in heaven.

he says that they show that jesus was less than his father, and was a separate person, and the others state that paradise will be here on earth.

argument: how come no one has seen god, not even jesus?

ClassAvenger

Thanks for all the information guys, it is really helping me out a lot. Yes, I admit that I do not fully (or partially, lol) understand the Trinity because I have never taken a study on it at church. Maybe it did pass by sometime, but back then I would fall asleep all the time. Well, thanks for everything, keep posting!

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Matthew 24:36

by ClassAvenger in

i need someone to explain to me matthew 24:36, preferably people who support the trinity.

it states that no one knows the second coming of jesus, not even the angels, just the father.

my question is, how can jesus not know his second coming if he is part of the trinity, or part of god?

ClassAvenger

I need someone to explain to me Matthew 24:36, preferably people who support the Trinity. It states that no one knows the second coming of Jesus, not even the angels, just the Father. My question is, how can Jesus not know his second coming if he is part of the Trinity, or part of God? My question is sort of confusing. Sorry. .

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True Bible Doctrines part 2

by hooberus in

the personhood of the holy spirit

personal pronouns show that he is a person

"o thou that art named the house of jacob, is the spirit of the lord straitened?

ClassAvenger

Don't rely on 1 John 5:7, I've heard it's not included in many bibles because of some reason, just the King James has it. Not that I am against the post, I am actually for it, just that some people might try to prove you wrong with that text... I think...

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Doubting the Trinity and Paradise

by ClassAvenger in

i don't doubt the trinity, but again i had a talk with one of my jw friends and he gave me several bible passages which he wants me to explain, most deal with the trinity, and others deal with the belief in heaven.

he says that they show that jesus was less than his father, and was a separate person, and the others state that paradise will be here on earth.

argument: how come no one has seen god, not even jesus?

ClassAvenger

I don't doubt the Trinity, but again I had a talk with one of my JW friends and he gave me several bible passages which he wants me to explain, most deal with the Trinity, and others deal with the belief in heaven. He says that they show that Jesus was less than his Father, and was a separate person, and the others state that paradise will be here on earth. The versicles he uses are not that complicated to be explained, but I am weak on the scriptures, and need a lot of help. Sorry if some things or explanations are not clear enough, ask if you didn't understand what I meant. I'm going to list them here:

Trinity

- Matthew 24:36: But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. My comment: His argument here was for me to explain that not even Jesus knows when the second coming will be, only God. He says how come if Jesus is God, he doesn't know when it will be.

- John 17:3: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent. My comment: He said that how come Jesus was sent by God, how could God send God?

- II Corinthians 1:20-21: For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God.

- John 16:23: And in that day ye shal ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Argument: How come Jesus says he will give it to you, if Jesus himself is God?

- Colossians 1:15: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Argument: How come Jesus was firstborn of every creature, that means that he is not eternal.

- John 1:18: No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Argument: How come no one has seen God, not even Jesus?

- Matthew 3:17: And lo a voice from heaven saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Argument: How could God be talking to God?

- 1 John 2:23: Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Argument: Why are they shown as two separate entities?

- John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Argument: How come Jesus is saying that no one can come to the Father, but by him, if they are two separate persons.

- II Corinthians 1:3: Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; Argument: Explain how God is Father of everything, including Jesus.

- Luke 22:41-44: And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed. Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Argument: How come Jesus is asking God for it to be his Father's will, and not his, if Jesus is God?

Heaven on Earth

- Psalms 37:11: But the meek shall inherit the earth: and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. Argument: How come we believe in heaven if the bible says that the meek will inherit the earth?

- Matthew 5:5: Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

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New World Translation Errors

by ClassAvenger in

hi guys, im on a time budget here.

a jw friend of mine is trying to prove that i have a wrong, twisted bible full of errors and added scriptures.

i have a king james bible, and he has the nwt of course.

ClassAvenger

Yes, he already answered back to me saying that 1 John 5:7 was something added later and that many agreed that it was not an authentic versicle. Can anyone explain the addition of that text to me?

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WT Assembly Makes the News

by 95stormfront in

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http://www.chron.com/cs/cda/story.hts/metropolitan/1951250

does anyone want to bet that they'll be using this at the end of the a$$embly as a witness to how great and united they are?

ClassAvenger

I know the reaction of the latinos will be a lot of cussing in spanish, they don't like their faith to be challenged...

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DID JESUS LOSE HIS FAITH?

by plmkrzy in

in god?.

jesus spent close to 20 years convincing people he was the savior and the son of god.. .

he did such a good job of it that 2,000 years later a large portion of the world still believes it.. .

ClassAvenger

Most of the time I sleep in church accidentally, I sleep really late at night, so whatever I say don't take it against me. But, in my opinion, Jesus still felt like a man, he felt pain and fear of dying. Not dying itself, but the pain that he had to go through, and therefore he said what he said. We have to remember that it was a really painful torture to be on the cross. It's like most Christians, we don't fear death because we believe that we will go to heaven, just like those suicide bombers in Israel think they will go to heaven and have I dont know how many virgins and stuff, but we still fear death itself, not what is after it, but what we feel while we die.

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Mass Suicide Alert.

by refiners fire in

it seems that the anti cult world is extremely concerned at the moment about a group called "project portal" in brazil.

apparently there are hundreds of members and extensive defections are taking place at the moment, and the group leader, one urandir olivera, is being 'persecuted'extensively by the media.

cult watchers are drawing parallels with jonestown in that they fear olivera may lead his loyal followers in a collective 'beaming up'.

ClassAvenger

Lol, what's the point of the freaking guy in making his own cult? Just wasting time. Maybe he needs attention or was really bored. Needed to amuse himself for a while. Let's say they mass suicide, will the leader tell them that he will be the last one to suicide just to be sure that everyone followed the ritual? Hehehe, I wonder how many would fall for that one.