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confusedjw
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How did you find your job?
by JH inoften, i speak to people who seem to have good jobs.
when i ask how they got that job, then they tell me that finally it came down to good contacts.. many jobs i had were also because of good contacts.
naturally, having a college or university degree is what it takes, but having contacts seems to be what opens doors.. so, how did you find your job, with help from an influencial person, or all by yourself?
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Do You Think We Are Helping Witnesses Get Out Thru This Forum?
by minimus ini am curious , especially since we have so many new ones here, as to how many actually left the organization because of this board or others similar to it.
i certainly would hope that we are making a dent in the jw organization by what we do here......,
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confusedjw
Hey I thought you had announced your last post a while ago?
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confusedjw
Batman said:
Manchester is not famed for it's herds, more for it's cotton mills WHY !!!
Right, statues of cotton sheep all over town - you know what kind of crowd that will bring...
"MMMMM cotton sheep - much softer"
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confusedjw
Oh you are going to love Canada, the 53rd State
Up there the exchange rate for the Canadian dollar and the peso are the same.
The beer flows like wine and the women can take a hit (hockey).
Houses are cheap, especially above the dew line and you can get seal pups almost all year round. (bring your own club)
The intellectual center is and you can tell the rest of is jealous about that.
Quebec, the 52 nd State, has succeeded for the 4 th time, but they?ll be back.
The most famous person on TV is named Red Green and football has one Canadian in the league per law.
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LOCAL JW BUSTED FOR KIDDIE PORN
by new light ini just saw on the local news that a jw i have personally met and whose family i know was arrested for child pornography.
he is only about 30 years old.
this is the second case in 2 months involving an arrest for a child sex crime within the same congregation (the man on the news actually moved away a few years ago).
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confusedjw
SHE TOLD THE ELDERS ABOUT THE ELDER WHO MOLESTED HER AND THERE WERE 4 OTHER VICTIMS WHO ALSO TOLD THE SAME ELDERS ABOUT HIS MOLESTING THEM.
That is terrible and I am sorry. And if serving as an elder I was told by the WTBTS to drop something like this I would have called the police myself.
In this case everyone of them is guilty to high heaven
again sorry
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What does your name mean?
by pennycandy ini gave my intro and then disappeared for a month.
just not enough time these days.. anyway .
.. some of your names are self-explanatory, but some definitely have to be explained to be understood.. i'll start.
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confusedjw
When I first came to this board I was in a real state of confusion over 587/607 - Rev 7 - the mind control of the org - unity in place of truth - false predictions like 1925
Now I'm just concerned with propane and propane accessories.
And beer.
And doing the right thing.
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LOCAL JW BUSTED FOR KIDDIE PORN
by new light ini just saw on the local news that a jw i have personally met and whose family i know was arrested for child pornography.
he is only about 30 years old.
this is the second case in 2 months involving an arrest for a child sex crime within the same congregation (the man on the news actually moved away a few years ago).
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confusedjw
I would call the police.
I couldn't agree more with that. And shouldn't parents do this? Or are you saying the elders should call for the parents?
And yes, of course, I am aware of the creeps who threaten parents with trouble if they do call.
I guess what my point was what would you do if you were the person having to deal with it in the congregation - what would you do?
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LOCAL JW BUSTED FOR KIDDIE PORN
by new light ini just saw on the local news that a jw i have personally met and whose family i know was arrested for child pornography.
he is only about 30 years old.
this is the second case in 2 months involving an arrest for a child sex crime within the same congregation (the man on the news actually moved away a few years ago).
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confusedjw
Steph - if you don't mind my asking. How would you handle it?
An accusation is made, what next?
If you convict won't people say unfair and couldn't some get the idea, to falsely accuse?
If you don't convict they people are saying you are protecting the person and victimizing the victim.
What would you opt for?
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LOCAL JW BUSTED FOR KIDDIE PORN
by new light ini just saw on the local news that a jw i have personally met and whose family i know was arrested for child pornography.
he is only about 30 years old.
this is the second case in 2 months involving an arrest for a child sex crime within the same congregation (the man on the news actually moved away a few years ago).
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confusedjw
Actually that's not true. I did research on this and according to the Quotes website and the Elder Handbook the two witness rule only works on the SAME offense. And the Eklder book also says children do not necessarily count as witnesses and can be disregarded because of their age. So the only way a JW would get DFed for sure for child molestation is if he decided to molest a child with another adult JW in good standing in the room watching.
Well I don't know about your research, but here is what the Elders book says:
What kind of evidence is acceptable?
There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just persons
repeating what they have heard; no action can be taken if
there is only one witness. (Deut. 19:15;Jol1ll 8:17)Confession (admission of wrongdoing), either written or
oral, may be accepted as conclusive proof without other
corroborating evidence. (Josh. 7:19)Strong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evi-
dence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the
accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of
the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known
homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.The testimony of youths may be considered; it is up to
the elders to determine if the testimony has the ring of
truth.The testimony of unbelievers may also be considered, but
it must be carefully weighed.If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of
wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident,
their testimony can be considered.Such evidence may be used to establish guilt, but it is
preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence
of wrongdoing.So as it states that while it is preferable to have witnesses to the same occurrence it is not necessary. And many are disfellowshipped in this manner.
What are you guys saying, that anyone making an accusation should be enough to convict someone? I actually know of two sisters who falsely claimed molestation - the reason - attention. Yes they were on the edge emotionally, but no one knew it at the time. And yes I know that by far the most who claim molestation really were and it's in my heart to protect them.
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LOCAL JW BUSTED FOR KIDDIE PORN
by new light ini just saw on the local news that a jw i have personally met and whose family i know was arrested for child pornography.
he is only about 30 years old.
this is the second case in 2 months involving an arrest for a child sex crime within the same congregation (the man on the news actually moved away a few years ago).
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confusedjw
Actually that's not true. I did research on this and according to the Quotes website and the Elder Handbook the two witness rule only works on the SAME offense.
And what makes you think that? You make a great many assumptions, one being that every child comes forward. Realize most do not.
Sorry, but I have to insist that I know what I'm talking about and not making assumptions. I served as an elder and sat on judicial cases and did many investigations and it was very clear at least from the 80's onward that if two people came forward concerning two different events that counted as 2 witnesses and this is stated plainly in the elders book. These 2 witnesses would, of course, most likely be the victims and not in addition to the victims. If this is not clear to some elders they need only consult the book.
I served on one case that involved molestation and am aware that some numbskullery has taken place in trying to pressure parents not to go to the police or in some cases not agressively protect people. Don't get me wrong I am on the side of the victims here.
I'm just saying that I have some trouble with the stats in that report and that what is being said about the 2 witness rule is not accurate.
I think it's terrible that any of this has taken place, but to point out that a molestor has victimized 4 children or 6 is a far cry from the "average" being 143. Maybe that really is the average, but I find it hard to believe. I hope it isn't