please give me the list of jw baptismal vows through the years of the organization as far as you can find out?.
i'd like to see how the baptismal vows changed over the course of time.
feel free to add the possible reason and motive for the change.
Please give me the list of JW baptismal vows through the years of the organization as far as you can find out?
I'd like to see how the baptismal vows changed over the course of time. Feel free to add the possible reason and motive for the change. I also would like to see the baptismal vow that includes the pledge of allegiance to the WTS and when that happened. And if this continues as the current baptismal vow.
Thanks in advance!
good morning:.
if an old thread regarding dr. brenda upton v. the wtb&ts had not been bumped up, i would never have come across this horrific but spellbinding information.
please consider these opening words:.
Hiring a JW also means you've hired a spy who will feel it is his or her divine duty to rat you out for anything. And if he or she is super-theocratic, you might has well turn in your disassociation notice right now and save yourself a lot of time going back and forth in judicial committees. LOL!
i recently bumped into a jw i know that told me that her watch had been pinched at an assembly , she then went on to tell me that a lot of worldly people go to assemblys ,so she should have been more carfull !!!!!!!
this is someone that knows im "worldly" i was gobsmacked when i had recovered from my shock i informed her that i would not dream of stealing something despite being "worldly".
i dont even think she realised how offensive it sounded and she is not usually a judgemental person , so it must be all that self righteous association she has been mixing with lol
I recently attended a wedding in which the only JWs present were the bride's grandparents. The reason they attended is that the bride and groom bent over backward to keep the wedding secular so the grandparents could attend.
During the reception, I watched the JWs. They looked frightened and kept glancing around as if they expected some wild, wicked worldly person to physically pounce on them. Although alcohol was served, no one got drunk or obnoxious; everyone present simply had a good time.
After the reception, the JWs' car wouldn't start. The groom and his best man examined the engine, determined what was wrong, drove somewhere to get a new part and installed it. I heard the JW grandmother say to her husband with great surprise and wonder, "They were really nice!"
The long-timers truly believe that the only decent, kind people on this earth are JWs. They have to believe that everyone else is wicked -- they must be, since Jehovah has pronounced a death sentence on them.
Sad.
I think I got that one beat. Unfortunately.
I was driving along and saw a JW stopped on the side of the road. Seemed a middle aged woman all alone and she was wearing her assembly badge. I was surprised that no one stopped to help her as this was one of the main routes leading to the assembly site.
After a couple of minutes it just bothered me and I turned around just to see if anyone stopped for her. No one did.
Turns out she had a flat tire. I replaced it. I made her feel good by saying that I'm a JW but that this wasn't my assembly because when I got to her she was on the verge of tears.
I guess the JWs that were driving by wanted to be first to get the best seats for the drama or didn't want to get their clothes and hands dirty. (sarcastic grin)
But I told her that maybe she was too far from the assembly and maybe no JWs were passing by this particular way. I hoped she bought that little lie.
Now that's sad.
i recently bumped into a jw i know that told me that her watch had been pinched at an assembly , she then went on to tell me that a lot of worldly people go to assemblys ,so she should have been more carfull !!!!!!!
this is someone that knows im "worldly" i was gobsmacked when i had recovered from my shock i informed her that i would not dream of stealing something despite being "worldly".
i dont even think she realised how offensive it sounded and she is not usually a judgemental person , so it must be all that self righteous association she has been mixing with lol
i recently bumped into a jw i know that told me that her watch had been pinched at an assembly , she then went on to tell me that a lot of worldly people go to assemblys ,so she should have been more carfull !!!!!!! this is someone that knows im "worldly" i was gobsmacked when i had recovered from my shock i informed her that i would not dream of stealing something despite being "worldly". i dont even think she realised how offensive it sounded and she is not usually a judgemental person , so it must be all that self righteous association she has been mixing with lol
My mom was robbed by a JW's brat kid. The kid put on a baby face and cryingly denied doing it, saying she was mistaken. No witnesses in an assembly full of JWs, so they believed the brat. Now my mom doesn't bring anything she can't carry in her purse and she doesn't leave her purse unattended at a seat anymore. My consolation is that I'm sure the brat is stealing from his own parents and that his parents will pray the price eventually. Because what goes around comes around!
we had an interesting local needs.. first it clearly stated if you are not making all the meetings you will not make it in to the new system period no exceptions.
they twisted the story of the red sea to make an example.
saying you can not disobey once, or else you be left stuck in the bottom of the red sea.. from now on the elders will be making shepherding calls on those that are not attending regularly.. also, it was stated that if you know of any not attending regularly.
From now on the elders will be making shepherding calls on those that are not attending regularly.
Also, it was stated that if you know of any not attending regularly. You are to report them to the book study overseer. So that they may receive a shepherding call.
That's going to backfire. And there goes all the talks and denials that the elders are not the policemen of the congregation. And everyone is now a potential informant to the elders. Now you can't really trust anyone.
Oh, yeah. I smell big backfire in the works. And a rise in the usual paranoia level.
Anyone remember when the elders had the unsavory job of being the "bedroom police" to every married couple in the congregation about two decades ago? What a fiasco that was!
(Sorry for the red font. I wanted to change a word but I ended up changing all my words and I can't restore it back. I still don't know the ins and outs of this forum software. LOL!)
can anyone recommend a good website monitor program that will alert me when changes are made?
has to work on microsoft windows xp.
i think i too would like to watch and play "gotcha!
Just letting you know that I am still looking into this for you. I am curious too to see if this is not only possible but legal as well.
Thanks, Bite me. I was away for a bit. If you find anything, let me know. Or thanks for trying! I see that a couple here have shared some websites I should check out.
Thanks in advance to all!
the watchtower brought suit in puerto rico claiming that the controlled access law is the reason their growth rate has stalled.
i lost some formating trying to get it to post, but here are some excerpts:.
watchtower bible and tract society of new york, et al., plaintiffs vs. roberto sanchez ramos, et al., defendants no.
Interesting.
The WBTS fights for their first amendment rights of free speech in the preaching work but denies free speech to it's own adherents. That might be an arguement I may use sometime.
They would never alter their evangelizing say to help the community and thereby spreading a Christian method that way. Instead they insist a neighborhood conform to their "rights."
And they shouldn't complain if "apostates" should decide free speech to "preach" in their gated community in Patterson, NY.
What's fair is fair, right?
i was just reading memphisbelle's account, and she mentions that the wt says that one is suppose to pray silently so satan wouldn't be able to mess up god's plans.
um, correct me if i am wrong, since i have never been, or will never be a jw....but what the heck kind of logic is this?!?
(especially if you read what the bible says about prayer.
Ok, this is the only related quote I could find. Nothing more specific...
*** w62 7/1 p. 415 Questions From Readers ***
? Can Satan and his demons read our minds?—M. C., United States.
There is nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that Satan and his demons can read our minds or thoughts. Rather, the implication of the Scriptures is that only God can read the mind of man: “Mere man sees what appears to the eyes; but as for Jehovah, he sees what the heart is.” Further we are told regarding God: “There is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.”—1 Sam. 16:7; Heb. 4:13.
However, most likely the demons can, because of higher intelligence and better powers of observation, note what is in the mind of man because of his actions and facial expressions. Thus when a man goes contrary to Matthew 5:28 it may be apparent on his face, and so one could tell what is in his mind even though being unable to read it. So they may take advantage of weaknesses that one makes evident and tempt him to sin.
This underscores the importance of right thinking and dependence upon Jehovah. When wrong thoughts enter the mind they should be rejected at once; they should not be entertained, opening the way to sin. (Jas. 1:14, 15) Rather, draw close to God through prayer and meditation on his Word, because in this will be found protection against wrong desires and against the temptations of the Devil and his demons.—Jas. 4:7, 8; Phil. 4:8, 9.
Great find, Inkling. This certainly explains a few JW superstitions.
Do you think the writer of this article had too much time on his hands when he was putting this article together?
i was just reading memphisbelle's account, and she mentions that the wt says that one is suppose to pray silently so satan wouldn't be able to mess up god's plans.
um, correct me if i am wrong, since i have never been, or will never be a jw....but what the heck kind of logic is this?!?
(especially if you read what the bible says about prayer.
I was just reading MemphisBelle's account, and she mentions that the WT says that one is suppose to pray silently so Satan wouldn't be able to mess up God's plans. Um, correct me if I am wrong, since I have never been, or will never be a JW....but what the heck kind of logic is this?!? (especially if you read what the Bible says about prayer.)
I've heard about this too. I heard it from a brother - not from any publication or public meeting. The brother said that if you pray out loud about what's bothering you or what's in your heart or stuff like that you are allowing Satan and his demons to evesdrop on your most secret thoughts and feelings. And they could use that against you.
i just got a phone call from my wife.
she said that the phone rang a few minutes ago (about 11am local time), and when she looked at the caller-id, it said 'jehovah's witnesses'... or somesuch.
so - she answered the phone.
My take is that it's a messy day today, and they were at the local KH making phone calls - to get their 'time' in for the day.
I'll bet that right next to the KH telephone there is a "donation" box where the publisher puts in the "suggested" 30 cents for making each phone call. Most will make three calls, donate a dollar, and give the 10 cents change away for free.
(Used to be you did telephone witnessing from your own home. Shut-ins and handicapped that are in good standing still do it this way, I believe.)
Still pains me how they extract so much free labor and money from really good people who really don't know what's going on.
For example: How many of them don't know that all the money they contributed for the kingdom hall does not belong to their congregation? In every congregation all the elders of the kingdom hall have a secret meeting which transfers ownership of the land and building of the kingdom hall directly to the WTS without pre nor post congregation notice of what they have done!
When I heard and confirmed this "truth", I stopped contributing. I didn't consent to it and I figured the WTS can pay for their own mortgage and maintenence for this under-the-table action for a kingdom hall we were fooled to believe is ours but that is secretly their's paid with our money.
