Posts by Roddy

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Reinstated 5 yrs ago

by Treebe in

i am just trying to understand what my choices are.

i have been reinstated for just over 5 yrs and still have not had my privileges back.

i am a single mom and have been to all the meeting that we can, doing our best outside of kids colds and flu's, not to mention car trouble, but i have always turned in my time each month and study reports, but still i can not answer.

Roddy

TMS said : One of my lowest points as an elder: I encouraged a young married sister to consider auxiliary pioneering. She looked at me quizzically. "You've never restored my privileges! I can't pioneer or even comment yet." I felt about an inch high. It was a terrible injustice. There is no real system in place to monitor the restoration of privileges for reinstated persons. It totally depends on the alertness of the elders and the aggressiveness of the one reinstated.
This is 100% spot on. Even when we were trying to be alert, things fell through the cracks. There are no forms, no formal review, no process to ensure that people don't languish in a state of despair over their privileges being restored. I saw what TMS describes many times during my service as an elder... and honestly, it wasn't malicious, there was just more process, procedures, and forms built around ensuring the KH was maintained properly than there was around making sure the people were cared for, especially those that were struggling to return post-discipline.

Yet they keep all sorts of paperwork both in the congregation's files and at the branch office or Bethel office of every detail of your judicial committee meetings and disfellowshipping. Permanent record too!

Forget for a copy of anything they write about you that's on file - just to check for accuracy. Such files "doesn't exist".

Rather sick when you think about it!

I think the only way to counter all the negative files they have against you is to sell your house, give all the money to the WTS, and enter missionary work to wherever country they send you.

Then maybe you can return to the congregation after five years, be invited to come up to the stage duing the Service Meeting, and share some of your personal field service experiences!

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Reinstated 5 yrs ago

by Treebe in

i am just trying to understand what my choices are.

i have been reinstated for just over 5 yrs and still have not had my privileges back.

i am a single mom and have been to all the meeting that we can, doing our best outside of kids colds and flu's, not to mention car trouble, but i have always turned in my time each month and study reports, but still i can not answer.

Roddy

I am just trying to understand what my choices are. I have been reinstated for just over 5 yrs and still have not had my privileges back. I am a single mom and have been to all the meeting that we can, doing our best outside of kids colds and flu's, not to mention car trouble, but I have always turned in my time each month and study reports, but still I can not answer.

Maybe wherever you did was really "bad"? Do you know if you are being "punished" for bad reputation or something?

I find it inconsistant that for five years they will allow you to go door-to-door representing the congregation yet not allow you personal expression in the kingdom hall. I wonder if you are allowed personal expression at the book study? I wonder if shepherding calls were ever made to you in these five years? I wonder if anyone has encouraged you for your efforts as a single mom - a kind word, something for the gas for your car, help with the kids, invite you over for tea and a little adult conversation, little things like that? Do they reject your financial support too?

You have an unloving congregation.

I know this seems hard but you need to find another congregation or find another religion.

If the PO or CO has seen nothing "wrong" with the congregation's consideration of you for five years, it is not going to get fixed now just for you. Sadly, this is so unlike the illustration of Jesus' about the good shepherd who left behind 99 sheep to find the one lost sheep.

You got some prayerful thinking to do! May Jehovah give you insight.

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SMOKING GUNS?

by BEROEAN in

i've visited this board often looking for hard evidence of a major story, but most of what's reported here is misdeamenor type stuff.

other reports are heresay or rumored.

does anyone have some real smoking gun facts?

Roddy

I've visited this board often looking for hard evidence of a major story, but most of what's reported here is misdeamenor type stuff. Other reports are heresay or rumored. Does anyone have some real smoking gun facts? For example, several people have alluded to the Gov. Body members being pedophiles. Can't someone hide a camera up their tookis during one of these orgies? Also, there's been reports of lavsih lifestyles and expensive suares. Can't someone take pictures of Gov. Body members having "all white" parties? Come on people! This section is called 'Scandals & Coverups'! I want mug shots, love children, and sex tapes!

Unless you want to entrap the person or you are conducting a sting operation, usually such things happen in the moment, by consent, or the victim was too powerless to do anything about it at the time.

The victim or witness has to come forward and the police has to do their crime scene invesitation and interrogation - and the police are quite good at it. They know how to get information from liars.

I've always maintaind, even when I was in the JWs, that the elders are totally unqualified to act as police. I think these kinds of matters should be given to the authorities immediately and let the authorities get to the bottom of it. Then let the elders deal with the spiritual rebuilding of the guilty and innocent parties, after, of course, professional services were consulted. (Yes, I've known too many elders that are complete idiots and made matters worse for the people they were supposed to help. The sad thing is that they refuse to admit to their damage and blame the person for not having a "good attitude".)

Oh well! We'll all get through this somehow!

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Is Jehovah the most perverted creature in the universe?

by mkr32208 in

ok here's my thoughts.

i'm gonna ramble for a few minutes!

if i die and jehovah is going to resurrect me with all my memories and everything intact... hummm how to put this delicately.

Roddy

If I die and jehovah is going to resurrect me with all my memories and everything intact... Hummm how to put this delicately. Every time I've spanked my monkey he's had to record it in minute detail (he's not only watched he's had to count!) He's had to note every dirty pic I've ever looked at, every dukey I've ever taken! Everything I've every done with my wife, he's watched and recorded! Every thing I've ever done so that my memories will be "complete." Ok so far he's just a peeping tom right?

If you believe that then do you also believe this?

NWT Isaiah 1:18 "Come, now, YOU people, and let us set matters straight between us," says Jehovah. "Though the sins of YOU people should prove to be as scarlet, they will be made white just like snow; though they should be red like crimson cloth, they will become even like wool.

(Pardon if I use the NWT. I still know many Scriptures rendered in the NWT so it's quicker for me to look them up.)

I think that Jehovah is a God of integrety and will not resurrect you less than whole. Now, what happens next is the same as what has happened before -- your choice.

If you decide to become right with God, I believe that Jehovah will forget the things you did even though he resurrected you with your memory intact.

1 John 1: 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

As regards the other things you mentioned. I'm reminded of another Scripture.

1 John 4:20 If anyone makes the statement: "I love God," and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot be loving God, whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him, that the one who loves God should be loving his brother also.

Also consider that the guilty person has his or her memory intact too. He or she are haunted by those memories and the guilt that it brings especially when he or she sees his or her victims again. And those haunts will continue until he or she asks forgiveness of you. Hopefully, you'd be in the superior position of power to "set matters straight" to forgive and heal so the both of you can forget those memories as well; just as Jehovah as done with you and Him.

Don't underestimate the power of forgiveness. Forgiveness is greater than resentment.

Ok, maybe this is more information than what you really wanted. Maybe more "Bible" than you needed to know. I don't even know if you were really looking for an answer. Take it for what it's worth. If it helps you, cool!

But I don't share the opinion that "Jehovah is the most perverted creature in the universe".

Oh, one more thing. A technicality, really.

Jehovah is not a creature. A "creature" is a created being. Jehovah is not a created being.

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Looking for a website monitor

by Roddy in

can anyone recommend a good website monitor program that will alert me when changes are made?

has to work on microsoft windows xp.

i think i too would like to watch and play "gotcha!

Roddy

Can anyone recommend a good website monitor program that will alert me when changes are made? Has to work on Microsoft Windows XP.

I think I too would like to watch and play "gotcha!" when jw-media.org makes another one of their secret unannounced updates and changes.

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Watchtower Comments YOUTUBE PREMIERE!

by V in

Roddy

Nice job, V. I like the way you used their historical documents to contrast what they are doing now. Keep your new series going!

What they are doing is indeed fishy. Suggests a great insecurity from the top down.

On the other hand, Jesus said ...

NWT Matthew 10:27 What I tell YOU in the darkness, say in the light; and what YOU hear whispered, preach from the housetops.

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Gail Bethea-Jackson video has been removed

by dust in

http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=../vnr/index.htm.

there used to be three videos under "child abuse" in the right column.

the one that isn't linked from there anymore is the "progressive understanding" video.

Roddy

The Website Widget ( click here ).

Drats! What a good program to keep tabs of their secret antics but I need a Mac to run it. No Windows version? I'm sad! (sniff!)

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Special announcement next week?????

by seek2find in

jw
friends

it was announced at the meeting last night that next week all should be in attendance at the service meeting as a special important letter will be read.

this is in addition to the letter about the district convention.

any idea what it's about?

Roddy

You will need to fill out the DPA card for your state of residence only. The DPA card is valid indefinitely anywhere in the United States and will serve as a statement of your wishes when you travel internationally. In the future, you should fill out a new DPA card if (1) you need to make any changes to your DPA card, such as changing your wishes, health-care agents, addresses, and telephone numbers, or (2) your DPA card has been lost or destroyed.

Figures! One less thing for them to print every year.

I'm still surprised they haven't figured out how to PDF the thing, stick it on their website, and have the membership download it and print it for themselves and their families. Or have the PO download it and print it for his entire congregation.

Maybe that will come next for something else.

Kind of sad, really. I still keep tabs with some of JW friends. When I talk about all the many cut-backs going on, the layoffs going on at the Bethel homes, and the selling of WTS properties in Brooklyn, I notice a mute concern written on their faces. Something they still can't speak about even now. They can't use the "simpification" line anymore.

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Most people would say that practising any religion is better than not......

by JH in

most believers think that it's better to practise any religion than to act like an animal and not practise any.. even my dad who used to dislike the jw's when he was alive, told me once, "you're better off going back to that religion, than not practising any religion at all".

i'm a believer like he was, but it's funny how most believers will say that practising any religion is better than not practising any.. jw's wouldn't agree, because they think that only their religion is the right one, even though a wrong religion may have a postive influence on somebody's behavior and happiness.. the only thing a jw looks at is the carrot "eternal life".

they won't look at the good that may come out of practising another religion.. after my jw experience, i won't go to any other religion.

Roddy

Most believers think that it's better to practise any religion than to act like an animal and not practise any. ...

Depends on the religion and the practice. So you can say that I'm picky. For example, I wouldn't practice a religion that approves of barbecuing humans. I prefer chicken.

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Memorial 2008

by wha happened? in

anyone know the date?

Roddy

More importantly, does anyone care ? LOL... but to answer your question: Saturday, March 22, 2008.

"Field Service" alert! The elders will make sure every JW and their uncles will be out pounding the pavement that morning! LOL

Technically, you count 14 days after the observance of the New Moon nearest the Spring Equinox. Doesn't Nisan 14 fall on Fri, March 21, 2008? Am I missing something?

Personally, I think somebody at the WTS got this calculation wrong. But the WTS is not going to admit to another mistake so they are going to let this one ride.

If they do admit the mistake, I'll be quite impressed! Could be the start of something good.