Welcome!
But it's a good week to stop swallowing bullshit!
i haven't got much of a story.
i'm in my late teens, grew up in it, and got out of the society's regime by the skin of my teeth.
nearly go baptized because i firmly did believe it was the "truth" but because of a gut feeling that held me back, that i almost ignored, i didn't sign my blood to big brother.
Welcome!
But it's a good week to stop swallowing bullshit!
reading cedar's excellent article about the july 15, 2013 new-light" study edition of the watchtower got me thinking:.
the control freaks in brooklyn known as the governing body (aka fds) must be having conniption fits knowing that there is a mole in bethel leaking information to apostates!
"three weeks ahead of its expected release date in mid-april, a scanned copy of the july 15 2013 "study edition" of the watchtower was leaked to the office of jwsurvey by a conscientious active witness within the organization.".
@ cantleave - You are assuming it came from Brooklyn.......
You are right. I am. Cedars did NOT say explicitly where exactly this "conscientious active Witness within the organization" is located.
Good catch and thank you for keeping me honest!
Maybe Cedars will shed some light on the issue, but then again probably not. He'll no doubt want to protect his source.
Indeed, not saying where will only make the GB crazier!
reading cedar's excellent article about the july 15, 2013 new-light" study edition of the watchtower got me thinking:.
the control freaks in brooklyn known as the governing body (aka fds) must be having conniption fits knowing that there is a mole in bethel leaking information to apostates!
"three weeks ahead of its expected release date in mid-april, a scanned copy of the july 15 2013 "study edition" of the watchtower was leaked to the office of jwsurvey by a conscientious active witness within the organization.".
It would be interesting for Cedars to comment on this, particularly if he's had any feedback from his source since he published his article.
Cedars! Are you listening?
[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:documentproperties> <o:revision>0</o:revision> <o:totaltime>0</o:totaltime> <o:pages>1</o:pages> <o:words>858</o:words> <o:characters>4892</o:characters> <o:company>oak park</o:company> <o:lines>40</o:lines> <o:paragraphs>11</o:paragraphs> <o:characterswithspaces>5739</o:characterswithspaces> <o:version>14.0</o:version> </o:documentproperties> <o:officedocumentsettings> <o:allowpng /> </o:officedocumentsettings> </xml><!
[endif][if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>normal</w:view> <w:zoom>0</w:zoom> <w:trackmoves /> <w:trackformatting /> <w:punctuationkerning /> <w:validateagainstschemas /> <w:saveifxmlinvalid>false</w:saveifxmlinvalid> <w:ignoremixedcontent>false</w:ignoremixedcontent> <w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext>false</w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext> <w:donotpromoteqf /> <w:lidthemeother>en-us</w:lidthemeother> <w:lidthemeasian>ja</w:lidthemeasian> <w:lidthemecomplexscript>x-none</w:lidthemecomplexscript> <w:compatibility> <w:breakwrappedtables /> <w:snaptogridincell /> <w:wraptextwithpunct /> <w:useasianbreakrules /> <w:dontgrowautofit /> <w:splitpgbreakandparamark /> <w:enableopentypekerning /> <w:dontflipmirrorindents /> <w:overridetablestylehps /> <w:usefelayout /> </w:compatibility> <m:mathpr> <m:mathfont m:val="cambria math" /> <m:brkbin m:val="before" /> <m:brkbinsub m:val="--" /> <m:smallfrac m:val="off" /> <m:dispdef /> <m:lmargin m:val="0" /> <m:rmargin m:val="0" /> <m:defjc m:val="centergroup" /> <m:wrapindent m:val="1440" /> <m:intlim m:val="subsup" /> <m:narylim m:val="undovr" /> </m:mathpr></w:worddocument> </xml><!
[endif][if gte mso 10]> <mce:style><!
jgnat, yes. As I alluded to in my original post, we'd have to use secularized examples, but that's not hard to do.
For example, to teach someone to recognize ad hominem attacks you could discuss something like this:
1. I can't see that we should listen to Governor Smith's proposal to increase the sales tax on automobiles. He has spent the last twenty years in state government and is hardly an unbiased source.
2. Abortion:
My idea is to catalog the most common and blatant examples of logical fallacies and other rhetorical errors in WT publications, catalog them and then create a number of secularized examples of each. This could be a great tool!
reading cedar's excellent article about the july 15, 2013 new-light" study edition of the watchtower got me thinking:.
the control freaks in brooklyn known as the governing body (aka fds) must be having conniption fits knowing that there is a mole in bethel leaking information to apostates!
"three weeks ahead of its expected release date in mid-april, a scanned copy of the july 15 2013 "study edition" of the watchtower was leaked to the office of jwsurvey by a conscientious active witness within the organization.".
Reading Cedar's excellent article about the July 15, 2013 “New-Light" Study Edition of the Watchtower got me thinking:
The Control Freaks in Brooklyn known as the Governing Body (aka FDS) must be having conniption fits knowing that there is a mole in Bethel leaking information to apostates!
"Three weeks ahead of its expected release date in mid-April, a scanned copy of the July 15 2013 "Study Edition" of the Watchtower was leaked to the office of JWsurvey by a conscientious active Witness within the organization."
It will be interesting to watch how they respond to this obvious lack of control. I predict the usual dictator's response: A further crackdown with an increasing effort to tighten their grip of control and a resulting witch-hunt.
[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:documentproperties> <o:revision>0</o:revision> <o:totaltime>0</o:totaltime> <o:pages>1</o:pages> <o:words>858</o:words> <o:characters>4892</o:characters> <o:company>oak park</o:company> <o:lines>40</o:lines> <o:paragraphs>11</o:paragraphs> <o:characterswithspaces>5739</o:characterswithspaces> <o:version>14.0</o:version> </o:documentproperties> <o:officedocumentsettings> <o:allowpng /> </o:officedocumentsettings> </xml><!
[endif][if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>normal</w:view> <w:zoom>0</w:zoom> <w:trackmoves /> <w:trackformatting /> <w:punctuationkerning /> <w:validateagainstschemas /> <w:saveifxmlinvalid>false</w:saveifxmlinvalid> <w:ignoremixedcontent>false</w:ignoremixedcontent> <w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext>false</w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext> <w:donotpromoteqf /> <w:lidthemeother>en-us</w:lidthemeother> <w:lidthemeasian>ja</w:lidthemeasian> <w:lidthemecomplexscript>x-none</w:lidthemecomplexscript> <w:compatibility> <w:breakwrappedtables /> <w:snaptogridincell /> <w:wraptextwithpunct /> <w:useasianbreakrules /> <w:dontgrowautofit /> <w:splitpgbreakandparamark /> <w:enableopentypekerning /> <w:dontflipmirrorindents /> <w:overridetablestylehps /> <w:usefelayout /> </w:compatibility> <m:mathpr> <m:mathfont m:val="cambria math" /> <m:brkbin m:val="before" /> <m:brkbinsub m:val="--" /> <m:smallfrac m:val="off" /> <m:dispdef /> <m:lmargin m:val="0" /> <m:rmargin m:val="0" /> <m:defjc m:val="centergroup" /> <m:wrapindent m:val="1440" /> <m:intlim m:val="subsup" /> <m:narylim m:val="undovr" /> </m:mathpr></w:worddocument> </xml><!
[endif][if gte mso 10]> <mce:style><!
Wow, I'm really pleased with all the positive comments and additonal contibutions. Thanks to all.
I was not surprised to read that many of you found additional fallacies even in the example I used in my original post.
I think this could be really helpful in trying to find ways to reach some still-in.
I'm busy at work right now and don't have time to respond to everyone's posts, but will try to later.
In the meantime, please look for more blatant and recent examples of logical fallacies in any WT publications.
photo by jeffrey martin.
http://tokyogigapixel.com.s3-website-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/.
Pretty amazing stuff! I can't get over the incredible resolution even at full zoom.
Any ideas what this is? It looks like a giant skateboard on a roller-coaster like half-pipe:
The trouble is, your Thread Title is actually very believable!
I made this point on Cedar's recent "New Light ..." thread:
I don't know if anyone else has commented on this or not (I have NOT read all 11 pages of this thread), but I'm thinking the Control Freaks affectionately knows as the Governing Body (aka FDS) must be having conniption fits knowing that there is a mole in Brooklyn leaking info to apostates!
"Three weeks ahead of its expected release date in mid-April, a scanned copy of the July 15 2013 "Study Edition" of the Watchtower was leaked to the office of JWsurvey by a conscientious active Witness within the organization."
http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.
if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.
it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.
I don't know if anyone else has commented on this or not (I have NOT read all 11 pages of this thread), but I'm thinking the Control Freaks affectionately knows as the Governing Body (aka FDS) must be having conniption fits knowing that there is a mole in Brooklyn leaking info to apostates!
"Three weeks ahead of its expected release date in mid-April, a scanned copy of the July 15 2013 "Study Edition" of the Watchtower was leaked to the office of JWsurvey by a conscientious active Witness within the organization."
Maybe this deserves it's own thread!
photo by jeffrey martin.
http://tokyogigapixel.com.s3-website-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/.
very cool! thanks for sharing.