downloadable as a pdf here.
does anyone know anything about the "association of jonadab class"?.
I do not know about the association , of the Jonadab class, but I know that according to “Rutherfordism”, the Jonadabs were the “great crowd” that did came to the meetings but didn´t partake the emblems. They were the other who weren’t anointed.
Bugbear
that is what the speaker said in his public talk this morning.
Slimboyfat
30-40 years ago, I remember my aunt spending a lot of US$, to let our death family members be baptized “for the death” (Paul word I believe), This is why the LDS church have the very best ancestors database in the world. Still selling the names of your ancestors so you can get them baptized (for a few hundred dollars) in the temple in Salt Lake City. The question is are all of my aunts baptized death family members counted as Mormons? This could boost up LDS numbers considerably!?
Bugbear
i know we are all anonymous for our own personal reasons, so i understand if you would rather not say.
but if you don't mind sharing that would be cool.
i currently live in georgia, usa.
Sweden Northern Europe
BB
jehovahs people do not beg for money.
[...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .
it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.
OnThWayOut
qoute: had Stephen Lett revealing a shortfall between projected income and expenditures for the forthcoming fiscal period.
I think that the members of the congs. Just use their opportunity to wote with their wallets.
Bugbear
i asked this question of a jw that called on me yesterday: "if the universe requires a creator, why doesn't god?
if the universe must have a beginning, why doesn't god?
he claims to have an answer, but it must wait for next time he calls.. i'm hoping you guys can give me a heads-up as to what he will say.
The answer he will come up with is, God is eternal, no begining or end.
But that just doesn´t give you a lead? remember Big Bang?
Bugbear
i was twenty years old.. as a jehovah's witness, i had no career path ahead of me, no college to attend, and no prospect for my future other than.
knocking on people's doors and scanning the horizon for signs of armageddon:).
i was engaged to a 17-year-old witness girl i had met at the mineral wells assembly.. what was our future together?
Terry!
Thank you for sharing your experience with us, and for your beautiful language. I am a foreigner and I don´t know English that much, but still tears came from my eyes, when I read your Shakespeare like sentences. My experiences are very similar to yours, but my bitterness and angriness, spending over 40 years of my time with impostors, are probably exceeding yours. What a waste of time.
Bugbear
how many of us were woken up by some apostate yelling false prophets at a convention?.
how many of us were woken up by someone holding a sign and yelling, what happened to 1975.
how many of us were coerced to investigate the wt because some ex-jw pulled up a bunch of old watchtowers magazines and told us to read the false predictions?.
The total and inconsequent teachings and the logical fallacy, of the WTBS bible teachings, rumbled in my stomach for over 20 years. But being an elder and having my whole family “in” (wife 6 children) it was not easy to draw the whole family back….But I did insist on the matter that all my children should get the highest education that was possible and suitable for their capacity…. They all got their education and not one of them is in. Finally my stomach reached my head and I started fading, using the time to continue my own education, (my children insisted that it was my turn now) I also took my university degree. Today only my wife is still in and I feel that she is quite lonely and sad. Bu I am also Shure, that she knows all about inconsequent teachings and logical fallacy.
Bugbear
i remember that every time when my father and i came home from the meeting, my mother (who stayed at home for my disabled brother) asked us "who was attending and who wasn't attending".. and then, we took some time to drink coffee and went through the list who was there and who wasn't.
there after there was an opinion made why someone was absent and what this meant in relation with his strength of believe.. just curious, do you recognize this?
gorby.
Hello Gorby!
I am quite familiar with your description. When I faded (10-15) years ago, and didn’t attend, to a meeting. I had always a call from one or two of the elders, asking if I were sick. Of course I told them on the phone that I didn’t, had the time to sit down and listened to this meeting. Of course they knew that spend my time with “higher” studies. And that made them nervous. Every half year the CO came to visit me, and there was a big dispute if I could proof all the things I actually had learned. Finally they decided, that I were I hopeless fader, and wasn´t anything wort spending their “hours” on. I still don’t know if I am dft or a member of the congs. I think that the members of elders are afraid of, publishing the actual attendees on the meetings. They are afraid of that the Soc. will close their Kingdom Hall . Anyway obviously the members are voting with their wallets.
Bugbear
i haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.
the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.
then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????
I believe that over 50% of the members of the cong. are aware of TTATT. They stay quite and vote with their wallets. This just to keep their only friends. They have nowere else to go to and doest dare to speak about it.
Bugbear
humanity is like a ship, and holes are our hobbies (lust, greed etc.
which are fondly renamed as each one likes) which always have been outperforming what science could accomplish!
most of the greater or significant scientific achievements started from 19th centurymay be with the commercial transmission of electricity!
Sorry Icon!
But to mee it looks like your head is stuffed with hay. I think that you must find some more enligthenment. You need to study a little bit more, to get your "life examin".
Bugbear
