I certainly would not pass it on to them. The Russian gov't gets enough goading from US religious interests to get them to crack down on gays rights, civil rights and religious rights. I would also bet that there are already enough "specialists" in Russia and Ukraine to have known this almost as soon as traffic started building up on these sites a few months ago. Amazon, whose servers they are using, probably knows already, too.
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Watch Tower Society owns web domains: www.MT2414.com and www.PS8318.com
by Gilgamesh in(my apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.).
i noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when i tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations.
so i created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification).
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Watch Tower Society owns web domains: www.MT2414.com and www.PS8318.com
by Gilgamesh in(my apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.).
i noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when i tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations.
so i created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification).
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wifibandit,
Seeing the countries of Georgia and Russia in the above list is indicative. Thanks for the list. I just checked it out and also only get the first 25. For some reason I tried ISA4312.com and not ISA4310.com
There's another one I just found at www.MT1016.com (Matthew 10:16) “Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves." (" . . . be as shrewd as snakes" NIV)
This one is the equivalent of WOL.jw.org for the Online Library. But guess where it's already used?
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Watch Tower Society owns web domains: www.MT2414.com and www.PS8318.com
by Gilgamesh in(my apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.).
i noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when i tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations.
so i created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification).
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skin,
Maybe that's related to content caching on regionally distributed servers, something like what Akamai does.
https://developer.akamai.com/stuff/Caching/Content_Caching.html
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Watch Tower Society owns web domains: www.MT2414.com and www.PS8318.com
by Gilgamesh in(my apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.).
i noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when i tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations.
so i created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification).
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(My apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.)
I noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when I tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations. So I created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification). And then I tried to use that new login account to log into jw.org. It worked just fine. I also checked some backlink/SEO type sites and found that the Russian version of the site had been flagged as the most used subdirectory. (I assume these are attempts to get around any bans or restrictions on jw.org.)
Then it hit me! What about Ps8318.com ?I tried it and it worked. Not only that, but this time I saw that www.ps8318.com is a complete mirror of jw.org. These are not redirects, where you stay on that domain for a second and you get transferred to jw.org. The entire site (apparently) is mirrored onto this domain.
I had batted 1000 so far, so I tried two other verses and no luck. Didn't expect John 3:16, but tried a couple forms of that. Then jn173, john173, etc. Of course these don't follow the two-digit format for chapter and two-digit format for verse.
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Did you know? The Watchtower called Filipinos lazy and barbaric, and CTR wrote letter to U.S. President to sell the Philippines to Japan?
by Gilgamesh in100 years ago: wt calls filipinos lazy, barbaric; asks president to sell philippines to japan.
http://ad1914.com/.../100-years-ago-july-1915-russell-claims.../.
100 years ago: april 1915 - russell claims filipinos are lazy, barbaric; asks us president to.... main points:.
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Did you know? The Watchtower called Filipinos lazy and barbaric, and CTR wrote letter to U.S. President to sell the Philippines to Japan?
by Gilgamesh in100 years ago: wt calls filipinos lazy, barbaric; asks president to sell philippines to japan.
http://ad1914.com/.../100-years-ago-july-1915-russell-claims.../.
100 years ago: april 1915 - russell claims filipinos are lazy, barbaric; asks us president to.... main points:.
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100 Years Ago: WT calls Filipinos lazy, barbaric; asks President to sell Philippines to Japan
http://ad1914.com/…/100-years-ago-july-1915-russell-claims…/
Main Points:
- Russell wrote the President of the United States through the Secretary of State, stating that he wanted to write him privately but thought it best to send the letter to also be published in newspapers.
- Russell’s letter reveals a level of political involvement that went far beyond Zionism and direct political involvement in the affairs of government.
- Russell’s stated opinions about the
Philippines reveals personal prejudices which are pro-American,
anti-Filipino and pro-Japanese. He shows himself to be a
“White-Man’s-Burden” Eurocentric racist.
- A history of Russell’s opinions related to the Philippines reveal inconsistency and contradictions, but also clarify the real meaning of the expression, “End of the Gentile Times.”
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[photo above is from more recent context, unrelated to C.T.Russell]
The whole article is too long, so I am just linking to the whole article on ad1914.com
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Saw this Watch Tower article from 100 years ago and decided to start a "100 Years Ago Today" blog on AD1914.com
by Gilgamesh inhttp://ad1914.com/100-years-june-28-1915/.
june 1915 was the first full month wherein watchtower readers could obtain and read a new publication that had just become available out of brooklyn in the previous month.
here's how it was announced in the may 1, 1915 watchtower, known then as, zion's watch tower, emphasis ours:.
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oppostate,
Interesting. I was looking up 7th Day Adventists reactions to the war to see if there were similarities. I didn't see a parallel story, but I noticed that German 7DA's are apologizing for their pro-War stance during WW1. But I also found it interesting that several Adventists believed (along with Bible students) that Jesus wouldn't delay his arrival beyond the end of 1915.
https://www.stanet.ch/apd/news/3995.html
The Presidents of both Conferences, Pastors Johannes Naether (Hannover) and Günther Machel (Ostfildern near Stuttgart), recall that many Adventists at the time saw the outbreak of World War I as “a sign of the end of the world”. Before the war, a number of Adventists had served in the military but refused to carry out duties on Sabbath (Saturday), risking potentially severe penalties. Others considered it part of their preparation for the imminent return of Jesus to refuse to carry weapons or to participate in the military immunization program.
However, shortly after the general mobilization on August 2, 1914, the Central European leadership of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in Hamburg issued a circular letter recommending enlisted Adventists to “fulfil our military duties wholeheartedly and with joy," to bear arms, and also to serve on the Sabbath. This circular and other such publications provoked a complex protest in Adventist congregations, leading to tensions and divisions within the church. In 1915 this state of affairs led to the rising of a separate organization, the self-designated “Reform Movement”, which accused its mother church, the “greater church” of a “Babylonian apostasy from the true Advent faith”.
"Today we recognize and concede," said the two German Seventh-day Adventist leaders, "that during these disputes our fathers often did not act in the spirit of love and reconciliation demonstrated by Jesus." Out of concern for the survival of the denomination in Germany, advice contradicting the Word of God was given which led to division and profound hurt. The former Adventist leadership did not adequately fulfil their responsibility to the Church. They unjustly accused members who contradicted them of having “fallen” from the truth, and in individual cases went as far as having people pursued by the authorities. . . .
Today, Pastors Naether and Machel again apologize in the name of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, saying; "Even though none of those directly involved are still alive, we ask their descendants and relatives along with the still existing groups of the Reform Movement for forgiveness for our failings. . . .
From amongst these critics, some of whom explained their opposition by their expectation of Jesus return in early summer 1915, a fixed group established itself over the course of the year. Some later found a place back in an Adventist congregation, but the majority of the objectors remained part of this “Seventh-day Adventist Reform Movement” which rejected any form of military service altogether.
The circular letter of August 2, 1914, was criticized by the Adventist Church World Leadership based in the USA, and was later withdrawn with regret by the German Church Leadership in 1920, and again in 1923. This attempt at reconciliation failed however, as had previous attempts from both sides soon after the First World War ended. As a result, two Adventist camps existed during the time of the Weimar Republic: the traditional Seventh-day Adventists, and the Reformed Seventh-day Adventists, who subsequently divided into a number of further smaller groups due to internal conflicts. Most dissolved prior to the start of the Nazi regime, and the remaining groups soon came to the attention of the new rulers, since they refused to participate in elections. In 1936 the Gestapo dissolved the Reform Movement. Most of the smaller groups were outlawed in the same year, the remainder in 1937 and 1942.
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I find it interesting how the portion of the 7DA's who broke off from the larger group (because they apparently stood up conscientiously for something good) were the ones who ultimately nearly disappeared.
There is a site that still represents the 7DA reform movement: http://www.sdarm.org/book/export/html/5
Here are some excerpts from that site about the same situation mentioned above:
The opposing faction finally brought about the disfellowshipment from the organization of the followers of the original principles of faith." . . .
In the same year, SDA leaders made another declaration, as follows:
"In the beginning of the war there were some members, as there are also in other places, who did not want to take part in war service, either because of their lack of unity, or because of fanaticism. They started to spread around their foolish ideas in the congregation by word and in writing, trying to convince others to do the same. They were admonished by the church, but because of their obstinacy they had to be put out, for they became a threat to internal and external peace." –Stuttgarter Neues Tagblatt, September 26, 1918.
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Saw this Watch Tower article from 100 years ago and decided to start a "100 Years Ago Today" blog on AD1914.com
by Gilgamesh inhttp://ad1914.com/100-years-june-28-1915/.
june 1915 was the first full month wherein watchtower readers could obtain and read a new publication that had just become available out of brooklyn in the previous month.
here's how it was announced in the may 1, 1915 watchtower, known then as, zion's watch tower, emphasis ours:.
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100 Years Ago: July 1915 – Going to war was still OK
Main Points:
- In 1915, the Watch Tower still supported going to war if drafted, a policy that stayed about the same from at least as early as 1898 to as late as 1939.
- Watch Tower suggests that if drafted to serve (conscripted) the Bible Student should request non-combatant service but, if not given this option, could shoot to miss, or shoot over the head of the enemy.
- An interesting story is offered in support of God’s blessing on this “tactic.” Based on the meeting between between two “Bible Student” combatants, armed against each other with bayonets, early in 1915.
- The odds against this story actually occurring were so astronomical that the story is, in effect, a claim of a miracle – but a miracle in support of a doctrine that Jehovah never really approved.
The whole article/post is long so I won't repeat it here. It's at:
http://ad1914.com/2015/07/26/100-years-ago-july-1915-going-to-war-was-still-ok/
I thought it was most interesting how the latest 2015 Yearbook still uses a story from 1915 about a mathematically "miraculous" meeting of two soldiers. The article discusses the odds of this occurring unless miraculous. But if it was miraculous, why did Jehovah produce such a miracle in support of a "false" doctrine, when he surely should have found it much easier to protect an "accurate" Greek manuscript of the New Testament with Jehovah's name in it. (for example.)
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Saw this Watch Tower article from 100 years ago and decided to start a "100 Years Ago Today" blog on AD1914.com
by Gilgamesh inhttp://ad1914.com/100-years-june-28-1915/.
june 1915 was the first full month wherein watchtower readers could obtain and read a new publication that had just become available out of brooklyn in the previous month.
here's how it was announced in the may 1, 1915 watchtower, known then as, zion's watch tower, emphasis ours:.
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I added another one. This time about the 1915 Troy-Rutherford debates.
100 Years Ago: Presidential Debates – Watchtower Style
The Watch Tower Society found that debates were a fairly good way of “marketing” so that this very small religious group could make a big splash.
Russell, as president of the Watch Tower Society, had gained attention especially through the Eaton-Russell debate in 1903 and then White-Russell debate in 1908. He said that he believed the Lord’s providence had opened up the way for those two debates.
So why did Russell put the report about about the Rutherford-Troy debate in the very back as the last article of the May 1, 1915 Watch Tower? And, more importantly, why was the first article in this same issue all about downplaying the value of debates?
Some have guessed that Russell was a bit concerned about Rutherford’s brash and bombastic style, and that it probably did not represent the same style Russell himself had carefully cultivated for the Watch Tower. . . . More . . . -
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Saw this Watch Tower article from 100 years ago and decided to start a "100 Years Ago Today" blog on AD1914.com
by Gilgamesh inhttp://ad1914.com/100-years-june-28-1915/.
june 1915 was the first full month wherein watchtower readers could obtain and read a new publication that had just become available out of brooklyn in the previous month.
here's how it was announced in the may 1, 1915 watchtower, known then as, zion's watch tower, emphasis ours:.
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http://ad1914.com/100-years-june-28-1915/
June 1915 was the first full month wherein Watchtower readers could obtain and read a new publication that had just become available out of Brooklyn in the previous month. Here's how it was announced in the May 1, 1915 Watchtower, known then as, Zion's Watch Tower, emphasis ours:
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JUDGE RUTHERFORD'S SPICY DEFENSE
Brother Rutherford, grieved by the various untruthful, slanderous attacks upon the Editor, has prepared a pamphlet in my defense. A copy of it has just been handed me. I have not yet read it, though, of course, I knew of its preparation and in a general way of its contents. I preferred not to have anything to do with its publication. It explains Brother Rutherford's views as a lawyer, as a brother, and as a man who most fully understands the entire situation. It contains some interesting illustrations and is priced at ten cents per copy, or eight dollars per hundred copies, postpaid. It is not unreasonable to expect that nearly all of our readers will be very glad to have this pamphlet, as it will furnish them with evidence on every point thus far brought forward by my maligners.
Orders for the pamphlets should be addressed to Judge Rutherford, New York City, P.O. Box 51. However, we will have a supply at THE WATCH TOWER Office, and, if one is ordering other things, this pamphlet can be supplied also. It is entitled, "A GREAT BATTLE IN THE ECCLESIASTICAL HEAVENS."
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If you'd like to read this booklet, it is available online in a few places. (See below for one of them.) You might enjoy it. But you might also see why Russell wanted nothing to do with this particular publication. Legal experts have also surmised why, perhaps, he would state that he had not personally read the publication. The booklet is packed with information which would require a full book's worth of commentary to do it justice.
https://archive.org/details/AGreatBattleInTheEcclesiasticalHeavens
